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  <row Id="1" PostId="2" Text="May as well start somewhere (SF does have about 7k questions just now). It shouldn't be much extra work to do a data-dump of a smaller site. Plus it'd be nice to have a smaller set of data to work with, for setting up scripts and the likes (rather than working with &gt; 1.2GB of data)" CreationDate="2009-06-29T01:25:36.137" />
  <row Id="2" PostId="3" Score="7" Text="It's been nearly 2 months since this answer was posted. Any updates?" CreationDate="2009-08-20T15:52:58.887" />
  <row Id="3" PostId="3" Text="Hey Jeff, just curious if you've got a timeframe in mind for this!  There are some stats I'd like to compile :)" CreationDate="2009-09-25T17:28:47.283" />
  <row Id="4" PostId="3" Score="1" Text="I've opened up a feature request to discuss this again: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/23615/include-all-sites-in-future-data-dumps" CreationDate="2009-09-26T21:24:30.577" />
  <row Id="5" PostId="3" Text="Any updates on the SU and SF data dumps?" CreationDate="2009-10-12T14:09:54.423" />
  <row Id="6" PostId="3" Text="Awesome, thanks for the update!" CreationDate="2009-10-15T17:36:30.453" />
  <row Id="7" PostId="5" Text="agree, hold and migrate to superuser.com" CreationDate="2009-06-30T08:35:11.057" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="8" PostId="8" Score="1" Text="It's not the server code itself that qualifies or disqualifies it for talk on SF, but rather who bought it and how it is being used.  Read the quote above in the question.  If your job is to deploy Windows Home Server that other people paid for, then a SF question is deemed valid.  If you bought a Windows 2003 Server Enterprise to watch DVDs on, then it doesn't.  " CreationDate="2009-06-30T12:55:07.233" />
  <row Id="9" PostId="9" Text="I partially agree. I guess the problem is, you have to draw a line somewhere or you'll get tons of problem like &quot;How can I haz torrenz faster. plz. halp. kthxbye&quot; ;-)" CreationDate="2009-07-02T07:09:49.637" />
  <row Id="10" PostId="10" Score="1" Text="will be deployed later" CreationDate="2009-07-06T14:20:33.213" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="11" PostId="10" Text="Some of the more complex Wikipedia links (eg, including underscores and parentheses) still aren't linked properly." CreationDate="2009-07-11T16:22:17.437" />
  <row Id="12" PostId="11" Score="3" Text="I would say no to clickable emails, but yes to https, ftp, and perhaps any other major ones." CreationDate="2009-06-30T12:13:11.937" />
  <row Id="13" PostId="12" Text="Or a BSOD if the browser says it's on a Windows computer." CreationDate="2009-07-02T03:32:03.263" />
  <row Id="14" PostId="12" Text="That one's already there.  Same with an X11 dump" CreationDate="2009-07-02T03:33:58.347" />
  <row Id="15" PostId="13" Score="1" Text="Huge part of IT is desktop support.  Ever run a Mac lab at a university in the early-mid 90's?  ugh..." CreationDate="2009-07-02T03:34:39.513" />
  <row Id="16" PostId="13" Text="But I'll concede and accept." CreationDate="2009-08-28T19:52:28.590" />
  <row Id="17" PostId="14" Score="1" Text="This will explain everything: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2508/account-association-between-websites" CreationDate="2009-07-05T20:09:07.853" />
  <row Id="18" PostId="14" Text="Sorry, it looks like you already associated with SF. If that's the case, then VonC's answer is correct - when a rep recalc is done, you lose rep from deleted questions." CreationDate="2009-07-05T20:11:38.393" />
  <row Id="19" PostId="15" Text="&quot;a reputation recalc cannot take into account votes from questions since then deleted&quot; this seems to simply be &quot;the way it's done&quot; vs a real technical limitation. votes are retained on deleted posts, so it would be possible to include them in a recalculation." CreationDate="2009-07-05T20:16:57.567" />
  <row Id="20" PostId="15" Text="Coulda sworn this was actually called out in the FAQ at one point, but can't find it now. Note that *down-votes* on deleted posts also go away, so you could potentially **gain** rep during a recalc..." CreationDate="2009-07-05T20:41:41.627" />
  <row Id="21" PostId="17" Text="Beat me too it. Reps are 101 on SF and 1057 on SO." CreationDate="2009-07-06T15:23:14.683" />
  <row Id="22" PostId="17" Text="I thought that might have been the case but I didn't bother to check the reps. " CreationDate="2009-07-06T15:24:03.547" />
  <row Id="23" PostId="17" Text="That's a rather strange decision isn't it? What's the logic behind it?" CreationDate="2009-07-06T15:25:43.310" />
  <row Id="24" PostId="17" Score="1" Text="http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/03/responsible-advertising-feed-a-programmer/" CreationDate="2009-07-06T16:12:39.213" />
  <row Id="25" PostId="17" Score="1" Text="So that people that are invested in the site are rewarded by not seeing so many ads." CreationDate="2009-07-06T16:27:29.893" />
  <row Id="26" PostId="17" Text="More likely, frequent users to the site are unlikely to click on the ads directly anyway- they know where to look in the layout for the content they need and won't even see them." CreationDate="2009-07-06T17:13:55.537" />
  <row Id="27" PostId="18" Text="Could I please spend reputation on not seeing any ads anywhere on the trilogy sites?" CreationDate="2009-07-23T01:11:13.220" />
  <row Id="28" PostId="18" Text="Precisely?               ?" CreationDate="2009-07-23T16:06:52.223" />
  <row Id="29" PostId="19" Text=".                            Epic" CreationDate="2009-07-09T10:01:27.763" />
  <row Id="30" PostId="19" Score="1" Text="I guess it's not my faul [sic]. ;-)" CreationDate="2009-07-27T11:26:03.873" />
  <row Id="31" PostId="20" Text="I see what you did there!" CreationDate="2009-08-21T11:01:15.410" />
  <row Id="32" PostId="25" Text="Well.. I asked my question because I have seen questions about Desktops being closed that clearly showed a professional application (i.e. support of other users in a commercial environment). This seems to be in contradiction to the faq especially the part you quoted. Why are those questions closed?" CreationDate="2009-07-11T15:25:52.757" />
  <row Id="33" PostId="25" Text="I don't know. Flag them for moderator attention whenever you see them." CreationDate="2009-07-11T15:50:28.180" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="34" PostId="26" Score="2" Text="Noob question: what is the markup to display the tags?" CreationDate="2009-07-20T22:23:44.370" />
  <row Id="35" PostId="26" Score="1" Text="&lt;kbd&gt;open-source&lt;/kbd&gt;, see e.g. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/1939/kbd-elements-are-way-intrusive/1941" CreationDate="2009-07-21T07:55:19.170" />
  <row Id="36" PostId="28" Text="Also, I wanted to tag it LOL but the system wouldn't let me." CreationDate="2009-07-17T19:09:15.450" />
  <row Id="37" PostId="28" Text="You don't have enough rep over here to create new tags. Have you linked your accounts yet. If you have &gt; 100 rep then you'll get a 100 point bonus here." CreationDate="2009-07-17T19:11:10.977" />
  <row Id="38" PostId="28" Text="I cannot see it :)" CreationDate="2009-07-17T19:11:27.890" />
  <row Id="39" PostId="28" Score="2" Text="I think it's save to say it's just you :)" CreationDate="2009-07-17T19:17:10.373" />
  <row Id="40" PostId="28" Text="This question has no value and should have been wiki'd, especially since you accepted the first answer that simply agreed with you. " CreationDate="2009-07-17T23:14:09.757" />
  <row Id="41" PostId="28" Score="1" Text="Whatever dude, nobody cares about the meta site anyways" CreationDate="2009-07-28T19:42:57.827" />
  <row Id="42" PostId="29" Score="1" Text="+1 For creativity" CreationDate="2009-07-17T19:16:36.053" />
  <row Id="43" PostId="29" Text="I predict we're going to be seeing a lot of this guy in the coming weeks. :)" CreationDate="2009-07-17T19:20:44.610" />
  <row Id="44" PostId="29" Score="2" Text="Hey, I've been around since SO private beta. :P" CreationDate="2009-07-17T19:22:43.717" />
  <row Id="45" PostId="29" Score="6" Text="I'm sure he meant the guy in the image." CreationDate="2009-07-17T20:58:38.500" />
  <row Id="46" PostId="30" Score="3" Text="This is the correct answer." CreationDate="2009-07-17T19:21:39.690" />
  <row Id="47" PostId="31" Text="Is that why there is always spit along the bottom of the browser when visiting SF?" CreationDate="2009-07-18T01:20:16.997" />
  <row Id="48" PostId="31" Text="Only if you put it there." CreationDate="2009-07-18T02:19:58.247" />
  <row Id="49" PostId="31" Text="If someone wants to clean up the image I made, or knows of a cc image that I could use for the reference. Feel free to do so." CreationDate="2009-07-18T02:22:04.830" />
  <row Id="50" PostId="31" Text="I was just thinking, someone should do an animation where the ServerFault image morphs into a NES." CreationDate="2009-07-18T15:04:39.643" />
  <row Id="51" PostId="31" Text="Does this whole page feel smoother with a CC image of the NES? The other one was for some reason a bit laggy." CreationDate="2009-09-19T12:29:37.040" />
  <row Id="52" PostId="36" Text="The same happens me too for SO sometimes. Your geo-location seem to be one reason. This suggests me that the trouble is specific to the users-per-server -ratio." CreationDate="2009-07-18T15:41:50.973" />
  <row Id="53" PostId="36" Text="http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/serverfault.com" CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:53:52.773" />
  <row Id="54" PostId="36" Text="The issue appears to be DNS based, not a serverfault" CreationDate="2009-07-18T17:31:01.213" />
  <row Id="55" PostId="36" Text="please see http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/7070/serverfault-down-how-to-get-into-superuser-beta" CreationDate="2009-07-19T12:04:33.657" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="56" PostId="36" Text="Ooh, in a way I'm oddly glad that it's not just my Macs/Safari etc. The fact that the 3 sister sites seemed to be fine did cause me to doubt it was a problem specifically at /my/ end. Fingers crossed the network experts can get it all working again. :-)" CreationDate="2009-07-19T15:31:52.400" />
  <row Id="57" PostId="37" Text="Thanks Jeff. I'll try it on a few different machines and connections, and try to get some more diagnostic information." CreationDate="2009-07-18T14:09:01.787" />
  <row Id="58" PostId="45" Text="I think I would probably agree with those other reasons, I was just worried about the precedent.  I think when you close a question, it is different from other people closing in that people will give it more weight as to what the site is for.  I really like this site, so just don't want to see it become a site that people think is mostly just for Windows Administrators." CreationDate="2009-07-20T10:43:13.037" />
  <row Id="59" PostId="47" Text="Just find the password on blog.stackoverflow.com" CreationDate="2009-07-21T16:38:49.713" />
  <row Id="60" PostId="52" Text="belongs on uservoice?" CreationDate="2009-04-30T08:54:23.893" />
  <row Id="61" PostId="52" Text="The question should be: &quot;Should meta-questions be asked on SF?&quot; ;-)" CreationDate="2009-04-30T09:24:00.657" />
  <row Id="62" PostId="52" Score="1" Text="Should be Community Wiki." CreationDate="2009-04-30T09:33:02.570" />
  <row Id="63" PostId="52" Score="1" Text="Given that the faq link above redirects to a question page, meta-questions are not only relevant, but explicitly encouraged. " CreationDate="2009-04-30T15:53:55.163" />
  <row Id="64" PostId="52" Score="1" Text="How do I install my printer?" CreationDate="2009-04-30T20:54:07.050" />
  <row Id="65" PostId="52" Text="How is babby formed?" CreationDate="2009-05-14T18:56:50.920" />
  <row Id="66" PostId="52" Text="Thank you for your confidence in our abilities, but...&#xA;http://serverfault.com/questions/1504/where-can-i-ask-questions-that-arent-it-questions  At this time, the grand experiment that is serverfault.com would like very much not to be PCissues.com" CreationDate="2009-05-22T16:58:27.393" />
  <row Id="67" PostId="53" Score="3" Text="lots of things are inevitable... doesn't mean they're good..." CreationDate="2009-04-30T08:47:14.317" />
  <row Id="68" PostId="53" Text="It's up to the people with moderation privileges, since anybody who'd actually read the FAQ first will know better." CreationDate="2009-12-22T15:18:38.933" />
  <row Id="69" PostId="54" Text="And not a personal desktop." CreationDate="2009-04-30T08:38:51.543" />
  <row Id="70" PostId="54" Score="11" Text="But my personal desktop is also my work desktop, can I ask anything I want?&#xA;" CreationDate="2009-04-30T08:41:15.813" />
  <row Id="71" PostId="54" Text="Next question: If I help friends (for free) with their computers and run into something I can't figure out, does that count as professional?" CreationDate="2009-04-30T23:32:06.763" />
  <row Id="72" PostId="54" Text="Not only is my personal desktop my work desktop, but so are my servers and everything else on my home/office network - 12 PCs at the last count" CreationDate="2009-07-23T15:50:49.480" />
  <row Id="73" PostId="56" Text="It doesn't really say &quot;multiple servers&quot; - multiple desktops, sure.  But you can usually tell the difference between &quot;I want to change this setting&quot; and &quot;I have x hundred computers that I want to change this setting on&quot; - for instance, the x hundred computers person is likely to be after a scriptable way." CreationDate="2009-04-30T11:21:07.957" />
  <row Id="74" PostId="57" Text="Great, point -- dumps of that sort of information will raise the s/n ratio significantly, and attract users searching for foo.dll who lack clue." CreationDate="2009-05-10T02:44:06.967" />
  <row Id="75" PostId="61" Text="Thanks to whoever did this!" CreationDate="2009-08-03T13:13:28.197" />
  <row Id="79" PostId="66" Text="I guess that's the problem - 'sqlserver' tag on SF has become more prevalent, and similarly on SO for 'sql-server'.  Difficult to start to use one over the other, unless a mod can re-tag first" CreationDate="2009-09-03T11:16:17.520" />
  <row Id="80" PostId="68" Score="1" Text="If a server faults twice, then your opponent becomes the new server. Right?" CreationDate="2009-11-12T22:57:34.050" />
  <row Id="81" PostId="69" Text="Not exactly an honour for an admin;-)&#xA;Maybe that's why people at stackoverflow don't refer to themselves as stackoverflowers." CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:11:44.707" />
  <row Id="82" PostId="69" Text="Different from faulters?" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:15:31.220" />
  <row Id="83" PostId="69" Text="Well, visitors asking questions could be the faultees and the one answering them the de-faulters (see my other answer)." CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:19:08.920" />
  <row Id="84" PostId="70" Score="2" Text="Or perhaps failures?" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:25:27.273" />
  <row Id="85" PostId="72" Score="6" Text="Are you suggesting we should treat people like individuals online, rather than nameless statistics? Revolutionary!" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:24:52.343" />
  <row Id="86" PostId="72" Score="16" Text="But I don't want to be called Paul...&#xA;" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:38:20.683" />
  <row Id="87" PostId="72" Text="Shhhhh! Stick with the trend :) Hi mom, look .. i'm on TV." CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:41:11.117" />
  <row Id="88" PostId="72" Text="Let's all vote for Paul" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:59:22.070" />
  <row Id="89" PostId="72" Score="1" Text="No, lets all vote for Mike." CreationDate="2009-06-16T20:03:29.897" />
  <row Id="90" PostId="72" Text="I agree, let's vote for Mike!" CreationDate="2009-06-16T21:27:30.150" />
  <row Id="91" PostId="72" Text="&quot;His name was Robert Paulson.&quot;" CreationDate="2009-06-17T13:25:52.567" />
  <row Id="92" PostId="72" Text="&quot;You're all different! You're all individuals!&quot;" CreationDate="2009-06-17T14:10:10.250" />
  <row Id="93" PostId="72" Text="That's the general ideea! Treat everyone with the same respect but know that each one of us is different. " CreationDate="2009-06-17T14:38:58.407" />
  <row Id="94" PostId="72" Score="1" Text="Shouldn't that have been, Call me Al?&#xA;http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/You-Can-Call-Me-Al-lyrics-Paul-Simon/79D1AA14FD5250C54825698A000EF740" CreationDate="2009-06-18T11:38:44.573" />
  <row Id="95" PostId="72" Text="Only if you call me Betty" CreationDate="2009-09-01T00:44:32.960" />
  <row Id="96" PostId="74" Text="As an interesting side note, I had to enclose the title in quotes because I was unable to submit the word by itself. Some sort of serverfault.com filter? Rather an odd choice." CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:18:08.767" />
  <row Id="97" PostId="74" Text="Oh. Minimum character count. I never knew..." CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:20:02.930" />
  <row Id="98" PostId="74" Text="I had an up-vote, then someone voted me down. Someone's stuffing ballots!" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:21:27.013" />
  <row Id="99" PostId="74" Text="Thats the intention of this kind of questions... if you see a name that you like, you upvote it, if you don't like it, you downvote it... Only that way, the best community-accepted answer rises to the top" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:25:56.320" />
  <row Id="100" PostId="74" Text="Seems imbalanced. You can vote up your favorite AND vote down all the rest, so one person can invalidate the votes of many others." CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:31:10.943" />
  <row Id="101" PostId="74" Text="Yes, but anybody can do that, or you can also vote up more answers... there's the balance again ;-)" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:35:35.930" />
  <row Id="102" PostId="75" Text="Arr, Cap'n Neckbeard it is, then!" CreationDate="2009-07-30T20:22:21.953" />
  <row Id="103" PostId="76" Score="1" Text="I kinda like just &quot;weirdOS&quot; by itself :)" CreationDate="2009-06-16T15:33:43.653" />
  <row Id="104" PostId="79" Text="Well nice, but not specific enough.&#xA;We *are* sysadmins after all, regardless if we visit serverfault or not." CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:27:22.043" />
  <row Id="105" PostId="79" Score="1" Text="I know, but I just put it in as an equivalent of &quot;programmers&quot; on the SO question ;-)" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:32:20.240" />
  <row Id="106" PostId="84" Score="1" Text="Because it generally aids succint identification" CreationDate="2009-06-28T16:27:54.100" />
  <row Id="107" PostId="85" Text="The same logic would be Servers.&#xA;Doesn't work obviously;-)" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:30:08.140" />
  <row Id="108" PostId="85" Text="@Ludwig: Yes it does... don't you serve your users?" CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:33:28.867" />
  <row Id="109" PostId="89" Text="I was going to say Roots, but well...." CreationDate="2009-06-16T14:47:21.450" />
  <row Id="110" PostId="89" Score="1" Text="sounds so noob-ish with the superuser.com site coming ;-)" CreationDate="2009-06-16T15:24:51.597" />
  <row Id="111" PostId="89" Text="good point, but my other idea was much worse:  Nick Burns, Your Company Computer Guy " CreationDate="2009-06-16T17:27:46.857" />
  <row Id="112" PostId="89" Text="Agreed... stick with superusers ;-)" CreationDate="2009-06-17T13:16:17.857" />
  <row Id="113" PostId="90" Text="Neat, but only applies to *nix users!" CreationDate="2009-06-16T21:21:53.297" />
  <row Id="114" PostId="95" Text="That was my CEO's title at a previous company..." CreationDate="2009-07-09T07:18:07.690" />
  <row Id="115" PostId="96" Score="1" Text="those that do everything by default? ;-)" CreationDate="2009-06-16T15:35:17.987" />
  <row Id="116" PostId="96" Text="I think it's the same as my &quot;server de-faulter&quot; above :p" CreationDate="2009-06-17T06:15:01.103" />
  <row Id="117" PostId="96" Text="Oh! I searched for defaulter without the hyphen and it didn't come up." CreationDate="2009-06-17T14:08:28.457" />
  <row Id="118" PostId="99" Text="Changed visitors to contributors." CreationDate="2009-06-16T16:49:09.477" />
  <row Id="119" PostId="100" Score="2" Text="Best Operator From Heaven ;)" CreationDate="2009-06-17T09:22:31.363" />
  <row Id="120" PostId="100" Text="To be called a BOFH is truly an honor." CreationDate="2009-07-30T20:23:27.863" />
  <row Id="121" PostId="102" Text="Reminds me of &quot;Fawlty Towers&quot;" CreationDate="2009-06-17T09:18:06.147" />
  <row Id="122" PostId="106" Text="or SerF'ers, I guess" CreationDate="2009-06-21T18:20:14.213" />
  <row Id="123" PostId="115" Text="Though, that might apply better to Stackoverflow..." CreationDate="2009-07-09T07:26:39.187" />
  <row Id="124" PostId="119" Score="4" Text="downvoted because the spelling is in fact correct" CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:14:29.643" />
  <row Id="125" PostId="119" Score="6" Text="Upvoted because it is stupid to have both british and american spellings for tags." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:17:08.237" />
  <row Id="126" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="To represent the non-native English speakers: who cares? Your little quarrels about *ou* or *o*, *er* or *re* are amusing in the beginning, but become boring fast." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:41:55.737" />
  <row Id="127" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="I _am_ a native English speaker, and I agree with John. Try to find a more useful outlet for your time and energy." CreationDate="2009-08-01T20:29:27.170" />
  <row Id="128" PostId="119" Text="It should be spelled right, 'center'." CreationDate="2009-08-02T01:48:41.387" />
  <row Id="129" PostId="119" Score="2" Text="while we have the chance... Change it all 'center' or 'centre' to &quot;centr&quot; and 'colour' or 'color' to &quot;colr&quot; ends the debate forever" CreationDate="2009-08-02T09:47:25.443" />
  <row Id="130" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="@Shahmir: initialiing? Thats fun!  :)" CreationDate="2009-08-02T10:20:36.233" />
  <row Id="131" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="u know what in the early days of coding... I had a whole 4 hours of nightmare in figuring out why 'background-colour:#000000' wasn't working. Im for the movement." CreationDate="2009-08-02T11:56:56.320" />
  <row Id="132" PostId="119" Text="Just to let you know John my First up vote on Meta belongs to you.. :D" CreationDate="2009-08-02T21:46:17.650" />
  <row Id="133" PostId="120" Score="4" Text="It's also the &quot;fat-fingered US&quot; spelling..." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:18:59.637" />
  <row Id="134" PostId="120" Score="5" Text="That's the spelling for &quot;center&quot;. But there is simply no such thing as MS Media Centre. MS is not marketing that stuff with that spelling and I don't think they ever will. " CreationDate="2009-08-01T20:23:07.900" />
  <row Id="135" PostId="121" Score="1" Text="Maybe you should care more about the hyphen, than about the ending." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:52:14.217" />
  <row Id="136" PostId="121" Text="I have no idea what you are talking about." CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:56:29.187" />
  <row Id="137" PostId="121" Score="1" Text="mediacenter, media-center - both are used-" CreationDate="2009-08-01T19:59:16.170" />
  <row Id="138" PostId="121" Text="I would imagine that mediacenter should also be merged into the media-center tag as well." CreationDate="2009-08-02T03:43:16.193" />
  <row Id="139" PostId="123" Text="So many apostrophes left on the floor..." CreationDate="2009-08-02T08:42:24.480" />
  <row Id="140" PostId="123" Score="1" Text="they wrnt sqigly undrlind red :D " CreationDate="2009-08-02T09:10:32.957" />
  <row Id="141" PostId="127" Score="1" Text="Do we really need to answer this? Everybody here knows the answer, and the OP isn't registered here." CreationDate="2009-08-06T21:38:24.130" />
  <row Id="142" PostId="129" Text="I'm re-opening this specifically to focus on the _cleanup_ aspect: correcting any posts out there that might still be truncated.  @Jeff: please feel free to reverse that if it breaks or shows up again on some internal tracking tool." CreationDate="2009-09-04T16:14:04.333" />
  <row Id="143" PostId="130" Score="1" Text="I found a total of 9 answers of mine with their HTML truncated (see my answer below). Would you agree this may likely affect other answers from other dedicated users? If yes, would that be worth of a blog post explaining the situation (and how the users can check from themselves if they are affected, see my answer), or would you say the number is marginal and that nobody cares?" CreationDate="2009-08-24T13:37:51.443" />
  <row Id="144" PostId="130" Text="Also, do you have a more precise idea of the &quot;maximum length based on the SQL data type&quot;? I found empirically 4500 or 5000 for the HTML length of &quot;Body&quot;. To have a more precise number would help, in order to request the smallest amount of answers as possible, for the user to check." CreationDate="2009-08-24T13:40:24.697" />
  <row Id="145" PostId="130" Score="1" Text="Just a quick update (in case you missed my previous comments): I have completed my answer: 250 potentially truncated answers are concerned (for StackOverflow), including a very interesting answer of yours about abstraction. Do you you have a status about what you feel adequate to do in term of information for the users affected by this issue?" CreationDate="2009-08-25T07:46:31.507" />
  <row Id="146" PostId="130" Text="final update: 171 users may be affected by this &quot;truncated answers&quot; issue (see my answer below). Is there an internal fix in plan for this, or will the users be notified (for them to edit and fix their message)?" CreationDate="2009-08-27T07:58:52.623" />
  <row Id="147" PostId="130" Text="Just a &quot;ping&quot;, to check if you have a status on the &quot;truncated answers&quot; issue (details are in my answer below). " CreationDate="2009-08-31T07:39:23.200" />
  <row Id="148" PostId="130" Text="Good thing you released the data to the public frequently (and I assume it was all backed up before you ran the script anyway)." CreationDate="2009-09-18T02:05:56.980" />
  <row Id="149" PostId="130" Text="As far as I can tell, this hasn't been fixed, as the post here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/51094#52640 is getting cut off." CreationDate="2010-03-17T21:44:47.337" />
  <row Id="150" PostId="132" Text="@Joel It seems there may be a little more than one or two answers truncated: see my answer above." CreationDate="2009-08-26T20:54:54.803" />
  <row Id="151" PostId="133" Text="+1 Well done. The character limit seems to be touchy though (the original bugged post was truncated after ~3200 characters). " CreationDate="2009-08-25T06:49:37.363" />
  <row Id="152" PostId="133" Text="@Ian: the length of the truncated post varies a lot: 2800, 3000, 3200... but not post *originally* under 5000 chars seems to have been affected. So my limit for SQL request is 5000." CreationDate="2009-08-25T07:14:21.637" />
  <row Id="153" PostId="133" Score="2" Text="@Ian: by the way, a *huge* thank you for statoverflow: it is a very, very useful tool to have!" CreationDate="2009-08-25T07:15:59.777" />
  <row Id="154" PostId="133" Text="Hmm... Try using CHAR_Length() rather than LENGHT() to get a more-consistent character count, and limit the query to posts with the lasteditdate &lt; '2009-08-07'" CreationDate="2009-09-04T15:14:51.430" />
  <row Id="155" PostId="133" Text="lasteditdate &lt; '2009-08-07' ? Not with statoverflow: it is still based on the July dump :(. I will try this week end with the last September dump." CreationDate="2009-09-04T19:53:16.927" />
  <row Id="156" PostId="133" Score="1" Text="@VonC: Thanks for the statoverflow query! It helped me find and fix a few of my answers that were affected by this problem." CreationDate="2009-09-10T13:50:59.507" />
  <row Id="161" PostId="136" Score="2" Text="5 is not relevant, though. 1-4 are. I hate having to post a comment that says &quot;Are you getting an error message? If you are, post it.&quot;" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:02:19.873" />
  <row Id="162" PostId="136" Score="1" Text="I don't think you need to disclose if you're getting paid for the error.  If you do thousands of programmers on SO might be out of a job." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:02:32.167" />
  <row Id="163" PostId="136" Text="There are only 35 people on SF with enough rep to vote to close?!  How does anything get done on that site?" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:05:59.947" />
  <row Id="164" PostId="136" Text="Okay, edited question 5." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:06:03.533" />
  <row Id="165" PostId="136" Score="2" Text="@Pesto: Oh, that's easy. Evan Anderson appears to do nothing but monitor SF all day. ;)" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:08:28.990" />
  <row Id="166" PostId="136" Score="2" Text="@Ernie: You guys have your own **He Who Shall Not Be Named** and everything?  How adorable!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:15:03.703" />
  <row Id="167" PostId="136" Score="1" Text="Oh, and this applies to SO and SU as well, IMO. At least 1, 2, 4, and 5 do. 3 in some cases, but not all." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:15:59.037" />
  <row Id="168" PostId="136" Text="Also, &quot;Have you googled it?&quot; should be number one, moving all others down one step. Edited to add this." CreationDate="2009-08-10T15:48:31.733" />
  <row Id="169" PostId="136" Score="1" Text="@Ernie disagree 100% that Googling should be a prerequisite to posting the question." CreationDate="2009-09-01T18:00:00.000" />
  <row Id="170" PostId="136" Text="-1 for &quot;Have you googled it?&quot;" CreationDate="2009-09-09T06:58:44.377" />
  <row Id="171" PostId="136" Text="On superuser, before being allowed to post your question, you should be asked if you tried using 7-Zip or VLC. It's usually the answer to everything, much like **42**." CreationDate="2009-09-09T13:21:18.663" />
  <row Id="172" PostId="137" Text="To add - We have stated on various occassion that Google is the SO Home Page - Therefore every question should lead here." CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:11:29.557" />
  <row Id="173" PostId="139" Score="1" Text="Deleted comments due to edit :)" CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:29:41.660" />
  <row Id="174" PostId="139" Score="1" Text="Now *that* is abuse of power! Each comment of mine is a work of art; only I may delete it, and only just before Welbog has answered it!" CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:43:48.887" />
  <row Id="175" PostId="139" Score="1" Text="Yes! Abuse of power! I wished I could upvote him twice..." CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:57:28.317" />
  <row Id="176" PostId="139" Text="@balpha - Will the pony I &quot;borrowed&quot; from TheTXI and the &quot;waffles&quot; I confiscated of Welbog make up for it? :)" CreationDate="2009-09-09T14:58:32.077" />
  <row Id="177" PostId="140" Score="13" Text="If anything deserves a &quot;status-wtf&quot; tag, this does." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:39:35.213" />
  <row Id="178" PostId="140" Text="@TheTXI: Awww, but it's not red!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:40:54.650" />
  <row Id="179" PostId="140" Text="Well if you can convince the higher ups to give me mod status around here like on SuperUser we might be able to talk." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:41:23.227" />
  <row Id="180" PostId="140" Score="2" Text="This is apparently the closest thing I am getting to a decent Friday Afternoon, so I am taking full advantage of it." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:46:11.563" />
  <row Id="181" PostId="140" Score="13" Text="Bad news: The OP has issues.  Good news: Now he can track them!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:47:28.270" />
  <row Id="182" PostId="140" Score="3" Text="Loving that tag!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:53:14.983" />
  <row Id="183" PostId="140" Score="1" Text="This is the first time I've wished I had 3000 rep on Meta." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:57:41.963" />
  <row Id="184" PostId="140" Score="2" Text="@mmyers: Why?  Do you want to migrate it to SO, too?" CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:00:34.110" />
  <row Id="185" PostId="140" Text="Boat programming is off limits, but this is a pile-on?  I don;t get it.  Also - she's not really a hottie." CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:24:12.847" />
  <row Id="186" PostId="140" Score="7" Text="Oh dear... reminds me of the  &quot;Irish girl&quot; theme on tdwtf" CreationDate="2009-08-08T20:39:12.260" />
  <row Id="187" PostId="142" Score="3" Text="Well, as long of a walk as you can take on the beaches of Iqaluit..." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:42:04.227" />
  <row Id="188" PostId="142" Score="3" Text="Any amount of time on the beaches of Iqaluit is too long." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:44:26.263" />
  <row Id="189" PostId="142" Text="She is reported to be the owner of a 100-sided RPG die." CreationDate="2009-08-20T05:45:31.963" />
  <row Id="190" PostId="143" Score="11" Text="She isn't even paid for appearing in the ads.  She just cares that strongly about issue tracking." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:43:49.807" />
  <row Id="191" PostId="143" Text="Another Francesca?" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:46:48.817" />
  <row Id="192" PostId="143" Text="How do you know it's not the same?" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:49:18.827" />
  <row Id="193" PostId="143" Score="3" Text="I'm not answering that on the grounds that this discussion would most likely go in a direction I don't want to go." CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:50:30.557" />
  <row Id="194" PostId="144" Text="Your sister's hot.  Is she single?" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:50:13.163" />
  <row Id="195" PostId="144" Text="No, she's not. She's dating this guy:http://pzwart2.wdka.hro.nl/~mdebruijn/netlorelib/tourist_3.jpg" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:54:35.260" />
  <row Id="196" PostId="144" Text="I knew it -- she looks *just* like you!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:01:58.960" />
  <row Id="197" PostId="144" Score="3" Text="[citation needed]" CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:08:29.100" />
  <row Id="198" PostId="145" Text="So, it's like a female Truman Show?" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:46:22.750" />
  <row Id="199" PostId="145" Score="2" Text="Reminds me of good ol' Everywhere Girl: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1016559/everywhere-girl---the-partial-story" CreationDate="2009-08-07T19:46:31.923" />
  <row Id="200" PostId="147" Score="2" Text="She's a man, baby!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T22:14:57.240" />
  <row Id="201" PostId="149" Score="3" Text="If I had 3000 rep on Music Overflow, I'd vote to close Linkin Park as &quot;blatantly offensive&quot;." CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:03:58.783" />
  <row Id="202" PostId="149" Score="1" Text="@mmyers: That presupposes that what Linkin Park does can be considered music in the first place." CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:07:27.560" />
  <row Id="203" PostId="149" Score="2" Text="not-music-related" CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:11:10.377" />
  <row Id="204" PostId="149" Text="Linkin Park? I love that guy!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:27:39.530" />
  <row Id="205" PostId="149" Score="2" Text="I still like Linkin Park... the hell with all of you!" CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:28:34.273" />
  <row Id="206" PostId="149" Text="I once played golf at a course called Lincoln Park -- does that count for anything?" CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:37:34.613" />
  <row Id="207" PostId="149" Text="I'm assuming Shelly worked at a diner in the pacific northwest before she started touring with Linkin Park? (+1 for the Twin Peaks reference)" CreationDate="2009-08-08T20:33:07.623" />
  <row Id="208" PostId="152" Text="I already gave name and number and even email address. Easy way to ask for a date that way." CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:10:08.270" />
  <row Id="209" PostId="152" Score="1" Text="+1 because this is actually a good answer and to put it above all of TheTXI's" CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:10:48.677" />
  <row Id="210" PostId="153" Score="3" Text="That's Sabrina Woodfell. Last I heard about her she is currently taking calls for BlueHost." CreationDate="2009-08-07T20:13:40.573" />
  <row Id="211" PostId="153" Score="3" Text="Well... at least she is satisfied .. " CreationDate="2009-08-15T05:17:01.647" UserId="1268" />
  <row Id="212" PostId="154" Score="8" Text="Some people provide worthwhile input, but not me.  I'm more interested in the important things, like castles and imagined conversations." CreationDate="2009-08-07T23:47:29.660" />
  <row Id="213" PostId="154" Score="13" Text="Fun stuff, but please keep in mind that IssueTrak (and every other sponsor) pays the bills around here. And a full-time staff of seven (and growing) doesn't come cheap. I think we're borderline OK here, but I don't want to have to explain to Hank (or another sponsor) why the site they paid good money to adverise on is making fun of them. Hank's a great guy, but remember that he's a real person. Not everyone responds cordially to having their photos used in this manner." CreationDate="2009-08-15T08:16:25.853" />
  <row Id="214" PostId="154" Score="1" Text="Alex: RTFM.                      " CreationDate="2009-08-17T13:14:08.857" />
  <row Id="215" PostId="154" Score="4" Text="@Alex: I understand your position fully, but it's *your* position, not mine; I'm not beholden to the advertisers.  I do, though, understand that they pay the bills, and that if they're unhappy, it creates problems for everyone.  I don't mean them any harm, but if you feel it should be taken down, by all means have it taken down." CreationDate="2009-08-17T13:44:44.007" />
  <row Id="216" PostId="154" Score="1" Text="@Pesto: We're good. I just wanted to give a heads-up/fair-warning so that if/when someone does cross the line, we can go &quot;told ya so.&quot; FWIW, this did crack me up ;-)" CreationDate="2009-08-18T05:05:53.260" />
  <row Id="217" PostId="154" Text="@Alex: have they (IssueTrak) seen this already?" CreationDate="2009-10-06T16:35:52.697" />
  <row Id="218" PostId="154" Text="never mind :) http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/13165/who-is-the-hot-lady-in-the-ads-for-issuetrak-on-sf/19405#19405" CreationDate="2009-10-06T16:37:46.827" />
  <row Id="219" PostId="155" Score="8" Text="That they did. I'd like to place a formal request for more boobs on SOFU." CreationDate="2009-08-15T05:12:20.923" />
  <row Id="220" PostId="155" Text="Bill Hicks got it right with the ideal coke commercial." CreationDate="2009-08-15T11:54:53.700" UserId="1268" />
  <row Id="221" PostId="158" Score="9" Text="@Hank Luhring: you can't buy this kind of publicity :)" CreationDate="2009-10-07T12:53:39.490" />
  <row Id="222" PostId="161" Score="1" Text="This is called an &quot;unresolved bounty&quot;, has already been reported ( http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/1413 ) and is &quot;by design&quot; for now. See also http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/13133/no-question-marked-answered-when-bounty-expired" CreationDate="2009-08-10T07:59:23.233" />
  <row Id="223" PostId="161" Text="Hmm. I'm pretty sure that I upvoted the answer I liked **before** the deadline. And I would have accepted it as the answer if I was able to. But then again, I am probably mistaken (otherwise many others would be seeing this same problem!). Thanks for that!" CreationDate="2009-08-10T08:32:24.383" />
  <row Id="224" PostId="161" Text="If you do not select any answer before the deadline, the most upvoted answer will be auto selected **if it has at least 2 upvotes**. Your preferred answer was only upvoted once. Hence no-autoselection, and &quot;close bounty&quot; means: no selection ever again (for now)." CreationDate="2009-08-10T12:18:20.123" />
  <row Id="225" PostId="163" Text="I can totally get behind DevDays/AdminDays/whatever in Portland, so long as it can be held on the opposite coast. And by that I mean Portland, Maine of course. :-)" CreationDate="2009-08-12T05:47:21.400" />
  <row Id="226" PostId="163" Score="1" Text="Apologies for the lack of specificity!  I grew up in New England, you'd think I'd know better.  I'd also settle for an Admin Day in Bah Habah." CreationDate="2009-08-12T06:00:59.457" />
  <row Id="227" PostId="165" Score="15" Text="If you're feeling cold, imagine if you were Doctype.com" CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:12:49.813" />
  <row Id="228" PostId="165" Score="6" Text="StackOverflow.com is also the name of the company." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:22:59.587" />
  <row Id="229" PostId="165" Text="Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. That does change things a bit..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:34:49.573" />
  <row Id="230" PostId="165" Score="2" Text="Without programmers from stackoverflow to create server software, there would be no servers to troubleshoot when your hardware and their software faults. ;)" CreationDate="2009-08-17T07:19:56.623" />
  <row Id="231" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="Oh, I'm aware of that. I'm just not sure if other people from other sites would be. Is the name &quot;meta stack overflow&quot; still appropriate? because it's not a stack overflow-only site..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:07:29.070" />
  <row Id="232" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="Same goes for the blog. The blog now compasses a lot more than just stack overflow, so should it be moved to a neutral domain?" CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:09:38.193" />
  <row Id="233" PostId="166" Text="Farseeker: all the sites have the links to the blog and meta. And the blog lists all the sites. I don't think that the domain name should really be considered that seriously. StackOverflow is more than just a single site, it's a paradigm. Most people associate the way the sites work with SO more than they would StackExchange, so it makes more sense." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:12:37.490" />
  <row Id="234" PostId="166" Text="I agree with your sentiment, except for &quot;The domain name should not be considered that seriously&quot;. I would argue that the domain name is incredibly important, as a subdomain implies a trusted relationship with the TLD. A subdomain on stackoverflow.com has no trust with superuser.com or serverfault.com except by association (they're all part of the trilogy)..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:17:50.807" />
  <row Id="235" PostId="166" Text="Trust with the parent domain (not tld)*" CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:18:26.953" />
  <row Id="236" PostId="167" Text="True that it's the root of the community, but that doesn't mean it has to be the focus of every peripheral function. Especially when the name 'stack overflow' is attached to everything, but a user who stumbles upon Super User isn't going to know what stack overflow is." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:15:47.423" />
  <row Id="237" PostId="167" Text="@Farseeker: And I don't think that a user who stumbles on SU knows nor cares about StackOverflow. But, really, if they want to start becoming a part of the community, StackOverflow is a big part of what SU is, where it came from, and how it was built. I don't think it's a bad thing to make that history transparent." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:40:51.063" />
  <row Id="238" PostId="167" Text="I like to think I'm a useful contributor to the community, but I haven't been to Stack Overflow except for a glance to see what colour scheme it uses. Because each site targets a very different audience. History is important to those who were there since the beginning, but the history of the site/community is of little or no significance to someone who just wants to get the job done..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T02:45:39.760" />
  <row Id="239" PostId="167" Text="@Farseeker: I think that history plays a huge role in what types of questions are accepted at ServerFault, how issues are handled, etc. StackOverflow only comes up once you start wanting to learn more about the community--either via the blog or via Meta. If that's the case, you have to get where the community came from to understand why we are the way we are. You don't have to go to StackOverflow, but there's nothing wrong with keeping the blog and Meta names/URLs." CreationDate="2009-08-17T03:06:52.870" />
  <row Id="240" PostId="169" Text="I admit I had similar feelings when I was reading the comments about DocType (I'm quite a lurker, a lot of reading and voting). I bet they felt quite ostracised by people's reactions... I wonder if it's a bit of xenophobia..." CreationDate="2009-08-17T04:39:20.907" />
  <row Id="241" PostId="169" Score="2" Text="It's more accurate to say that Meta is about the Trilogy, not the LoJ. I don't think How-To Geek feature requests/bugs belong here any more than DocType's did." CreationDate="2009-08-17T06:53:52.697" />
  <row Id="242" PostId="169" Text="DocType is a Q&amp;A site, so it has a thematic similarity that HTG doesn't (HTG is the editorial content yang to superuser's user generated content yin)" CreationDate="2009-08-17T08:48:15.353" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="243" PostId="171" Score="3" Text="On Superuser I have a similar problem, people ask questions of which you know beforehand: the solution to this is impossible or non-existent... Good luck telling that person that" CreationDate="2009-08-19T05:18:01.440" />
  <row Id="244" PostId="174" Text="The back and forth discussion is generally how server and system problems usually get fixed.  From this point of view, programmers have a much easier time of things, as they have code samples to deal with.  Systems folks don't always have that option as we usually don't have access to the code of the problem we are trying to fix so we have to work around the software we are dealing with." CreationDate="2009-08-19T05:41:40.957" />
  <row Id="245" PostId="174" Text="Squillman, thanks for analyzing all my questions!!! You were right about the shutdown script post - I accepted the answer just because I was being nagged to! When I posted those earlier questions I don't think SuperUser was running, so thanks for moving them to the right place." CreationDate="2009-08-20T03:34:37.203" />
  <row Id="246" PostId="176" Text="That would also work with some Super User questions." CreationDate="2009-08-19T14:26:07.507" />
  <row Id="247" PostId="177" Text="Ah, thanks for pointing that out! I've updated said question with some ascii art. Hope it gets some hits now!!!" CreationDate="2009-08-20T04:19:09.517" />
  <row Id="248" PostId="177" Text="I can't think of what it could be at the moment, but I at least upvoted your question! ;-)" CreationDate="2009-08-20T11:16:04.077" />
  <row Id="249" PostId="178" Score="16" Text="The real problem I see is that people just upvote the highest voted answer, even when there are better answers below. More than once I've seen the highest voted answer incorrect or incomplete, when there's a better answer just below it!" CreationDate="2009-06-13T10:46:50.243" />
  <row Id="250" PostId="178" Text="Add your comment as an answer Farseeker and I'll upvote it ;)." CreationDate="2009-06-13T16:14:53.310" />
  <row Id="251" PostId="178" Score="1" Text="@Farseeker - well that's always been the case with forums, a correct but unpopular answer can easily get ignored in favour of people being told what they want to hear. Of course, with &quot;the community&quot; voting, the cream should rise to the top in theory, but if the question asker approves a bodge that lets them carry on doing things the wrong way over someone telling them to rethink their entire concept because its flawed, what can you do eh?" CreationDate="2009-06-13T17:54:23.093" />
  <row Id="252" PostId="178" Text="@Farseeker: 1 million lemmings **can't** be wrong." CreationDate="2009-08-25T09:36:17.060" />
  <row Id="253" PostId="182" Score="1" Text="Jay,  You have 31 rep points, so you should be able to upvote, per the FAQ, upvoting only takes 15 rep points, and doesn't cost anything." CreationDate="2009-06-13T16:03:47.467" />
  <row Id="254" PostId="182" Text="At the time I wrote this, I had only 10 points!  I updated my response to reflect my 'enfranchised' status!" CreationDate="2009-06-13T17:16:31.673" />
  <row Id="255" PostId="183" Text="The tag is called &quot;serverfault&quot;" CreationDate="2009-06-13T06:04:03.667" />
  <row Id="256" PostId="183" Score="2" Text="Your answer is good, so I couldn't help but upvote it.  :)" CreationDate="2009-06-13T07:04:07.977" />
  <row Id="257" PostId="183" Text="Ditto, I had to upvote as well. Tempted to accept answer, but I made the Q a wiki :-)." CreationDate="2009-06-13T08:03:55.233" />
  <row Id="258" PostId="183" Text="Well put sir:  &quot;interesting, good questions, but not something worth bringing to the attention of the greater community&quot;" CreationDate="2010-03-03T17:48:48.027" />
  <row Id="259" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="The questions I've upvoted are ones that are clearly written and the topic is one I consider relevant to SF - something that appropriately technical and that I think is likely to be interesting to someone else." CreationDate="2009-06-13T07:30:39.420" />
  <row Id="260" PostId="184" Score="1" Text="All of that and the answer cannot be found easy using a search engine." CreationDate="2009-06-13T16:20:01.303" />
  <row Id="261" PostId="185" Text="Unless the question has already been answered, I think every question is worth asking since there are different skill levels on the site." CreationDate="2010-02-22T14:02:31.553" />
  <row Id="262" PostId="185" Text="I agree with zooropa.  Also, if you take time out of your day to answer a question that isn't worth asking, what does that say about the value of your time?" CreationDate="2010-03-03T17:47:28.887" />
  <row Id="263" PostId="186" Text="The good questions with few upvotes but have highly upvoted answers (even accepted) is really what confuses me. Why would people upvote lots of answers in a question but not the question itself?" CreationDate="2009-06-13T08:02:18.483" />
  <row Id="264" PostId="186" Text="I don't know... I just upvoted a question that was at 0 but with a few upvoted answers.  It wasn't a complex question, which I think people are less inclined to upvote." CreationDate="2009-06-14T10:04:17.477" />
  <row Id="265" PostId="186" Text="jtimberman: just because a question is not that interesting doesn't mean that it can't attract really good answers.  Or even just have people think 'yeah, that's right' [click]" CreationDate="2009-08-04T04:05:50.417" />
  <row Id="266" PostId="190" Text="This is an interesting response.  Can you explain questions that are &quot;favorited&quot; without an up-vote?" CreationDate="2009-12-04T14:38:27.547" />
  <row Id="267" PostId="192" Text="There are several existsing questions that address these issues already. This is one: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/10811/homework-on-stackoverflow" CreationDate="2009-08-26T17:25:52.870" />
  <row Id="268" PostId="192" Text="Another: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/17170/handling-questions-that-are-clearly-trying-to-break-some-kind-of-policy-tos-etc" CreationDate="2009-08-26T17:26:42.197" />
  <row Id="269" PostId="192" Score="1" Text="I think hackers are great!! Probably you're referring to crackers. The difference is the same as from  Automobile Engineer and a guy with who can start an engine using cables.  ( I remember have  read about this somewhere but I can't remember where ) " CreationDate="2009-08-27T01:38:51.407" />
  <row Id="270" PostId="193" Text="Yes, but how do you tell?" CreationDate="2009-08-26T15:58:16.307" />
  <row Id="271" PostId="193" Text="Tell what specific information should be left out, or tell who the h/c/l are?" CreationDate="2009-08-26T16:22:20.827" />
  <row Id="272" PostId="193" Text="Unless someone says they are, assume they're not." CreationDate="2009-08-26T16:26:27.903" />
  <row Id="273" PostId="194" Text="Nice links (both of them)." CreationDate="2009-08-26T16:09:28.700" />
  <row Id="274" PostId="196" Text="Great point.  Using the tools built into the site to address different issues." CreationDate="2009-08-26T17:31:02.873" />
  <row Id="275" PostId="205" Text=":p                       " CreationDate="2009-08-31T22:43:57.477" />
  <row Id="276" PostId="210" Text="Perhaps I'm color blind as well." CreationDate="2009-09-30T03:57:03.617" />
  <row Id="277" PostId="211" Text="Why is this community wiki?" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:09:37.673" />
  <row Id="278" PostId="211" Text="Troggy's gone philosophical on us." CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:17:50.717" />
  <row Id="279" PostId="211" Text="-1 for random community wikiness" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:19:52.617" />
  <row Id="280" PostId="211" Text="Doesn't hurt anyone, though." CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:26:26.643" />
  <row Id="281" PostId="211" Score="1" Text="Well, there have been quite a few questions that seem to just use wiki to avoid lost rep from a possible unpopular suggestion, answer or question. Can never know the true intentions of the OP, but can't help but wonder sometimes." CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:31:25.963" />
  <row Id="282" PostId="211" Text="I made it community wiki originally, change the question and realized I couldn't remove the community wiki. So sorry everyone...but I didn't think it was a big deal!" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:52:47.423" />
  <row Id="283" PostId="212" Text="And what's your answer to the question?" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:54:31.677" />
  <row Id="284" PostId="212" Text="The two colors are pretty much indistinguishable on my screens.  If I had to guess (and I do, the only person who can answer you meaningfully is the person who selected the color) I'd say it's not even intentional." CreationDate="2009-09-08T16:55:48.820" />
  <row Id="285" PostId="213" Text="The pink is a lie." CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:27:23.413" />
  <row Id="286" PostId="213" Text="The site is a triumph!  I'm making a comment here: HUGE SUCCESS!" CreationDate="2009-09-08T15:46:17.043" />
  <row Id="287" PostId="214" Text="You can try, but you will fail (even with SF): http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/13912/5-tags-is-too-few/13920" CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:21:03.877" />
  <row Id="288" PostId="214" Score="1" Text="How 'bout some examples of questions that could use more than 5 tags..." CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:23:18.367" />
  <row Id="289" PostId="214" Score="1" Text="Quick analysis of the public data dump for SF reveals... Oh crap, no data.  Uh... I guess... *(runs away)*" CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:25:28.470" />
  <row Id="290" PostId="214" Text="In this one, http://serverfault.com/questions/64465/slow-performance-with-mpls .  I wanted to add 'site-to-site-vpn' and vlan, because those are both important. This is the first time I ran into this myself, So I am interested in what other heavier users of SF think." CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:26:13.133" />
  <row Id="291" PostId="214" Text="My abuse of the tag tags is of course in jest ;-)" CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:31:32.953" />
  <row Id="292" PostId="214" Text="Well, you created two new tags with one question. Are they really necessary?" CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:46:11.303" />
  <row Id="293" PostId="214" Text="John Smithers:  Ya, I think they are..." CreationDate="2009-09-11T12:58:28.940" />
  <row Id="294" PostId="214" Text="@Kyle: they're necessary *because*...? How do they work to categorize your question such that others with the same problem or potential answers would find it more easily?" CreationDate="2009-09-11T13:17:51.867" />
  <row Id="295" PostId="214" Text="Shog: Because they are the technologies used directly with the connection that has the issues.  Since I don't know the answer yet, I can't give a better answer then that." CreationDate="2009-09-11T13:31:25.837" />
  <row Id="296" PostId="214" Score="1" Text="@Kyle: i understand... Just trying to help you flesh this out a bit more: as Pesto notes, a single question doesn't justify changing the system, but if you could explain how, say, this question on Server Fault requires a tag for each company, system or technology involved while a question on Stack Overflow need not have a tag for each referenced class, then it might help to strengthen your argument." CreationDate="2009-09-11T14:13:32.297" />
  <row Id="297" PostId="214" Text="Sohg9:  Ya, you and Pesto have good points.  I don't care that much, it is the first time I have run in to it.  So no matter how good my argument is I think, unless some other SF people feel they would like more tags, then 5 is fine I guess.  So I really just want to see if any of them feel the same way." CreationDate="2009-09-11T14:32:54.260" />
  <row Id="298" PostId="214" Text="I would go through questions that have 5 tags, and post a comment requesting that those users participate on this question." CreationDate="2009-09-11T15:00:32.693" />
  <row Id="299" PostId="215" Text="I am going to eat pony-burgers for lunch, because I am taking that you think my tags might be superfluous personally." CreationDate="2009-09-11T14:34:29.590" />
  <row Id="300" PostId="215" Text="There is a nice place around the corner with shetland veal." CreationDate="2009-09-11T14:35:26.000" />
  <row Id="301" PostId="223" Text="Needs dropshadows!" CreationDate="2009-09-12T18:37:12.847" />
  <row Id="302" PostId="223" Text="@Shog9 you think that's where the DV came from?" CreationDate="2009-09-12T18:43:25.067" />
  <row Id="303" PostId="223" Text="I can't imagine any other reason for DVing this answer. Your hand-drawn circle is exquisite!" CreationDate="2009-09-12T22:20:34.603" />
  <row Id="304" PostId="223" Score="1" Text="Symetric, anti-aliased and perfect red. That's a clear +1" CreationDate="2009-09-13T02:15:03.247" />
  <row Id="305" PostId="223" Text="Rex M: Quality, handcrafted red circles since 1998." CreationDate="2009-09-13T03:42:52.510" />
  <row Id="306" PostId="225" Text="probably related to http://serverfault.com/questions/64232/dead-gateway-detection-on-windows-2008-server" CreationDate="2009-09-13T05:42:36.157" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="307" PostId="228" Text="This Q? http://serverfault.com/questions/67635/centos-dell-r710-qlogic-and-multipath" CreationDate="2009-09-22T11:44:02.223" />
  <row Id="308" PostId="228" Text="@random. Yeah - I had hoped not to point it out specifically - But with you around :|" CreationDate="2009-09-22T11:45:31.407" />
  <row Id="309" PostId="228" Text="Well, you did tag it with `specific-question` so it just looked like you were missing that. Somebody haunts Meta too much huh?" CreationDate="2009-09-22T11:56:11.480" />
  <row Id="310" PostId="237" Text="A key may be to recognize what category of answer are you looking for: Humorous jokes, war stories from those in the trenches, problems some of us may know the tip or trick to fix, an opinion on something or something else altogether.  If there are environment factors like you want help debugging some issue then stating some of the environment factors can help resolve some things." CreationDate="2009-06-01T23:41:47.677" />
  <row Id="311" PostId="241" Text="In short, better questions get better answers." CreationDate="2010-05-26T12:44:09.457" />
  <row Id="312" PostId="242" Score="3" Text="+1 This is good on so many different levels..." CreationDate="2009-06-02T00:12:45.133" />
  <row Id="313" PostId="245" Text="Thanks for the help, Jeff!" CreationDate="2009-09-29T02:20:45.430" />
  <row Id="314" PostId="246" Text="That's a good point about the SEO and following Google Trends.  Works for me.  I'd still like the retag since it's to merge related tags together!" CreationDate="2009-09-28T20:42:28.393" />
  <row Id="315" PostId="248" Score="1" Text="+1 for some SF lovin' ;)" CreationDate="2009-10-08T08:20:55.980" />
  <row Id="316" PostId="248" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/24915/associate-accounts-with-other-so-family-sites" CreationDate="2009-10-08T08:49:36.507" />
  <row Id="317" PostId="249" Score="1" Text="will the $29 cover me for those sites too? or will i have to fork out more cash?" CreationDate="2009-10-08T08:37:12.443" />
  <row Id="318" PostId="249" Score="2" Text="You mean people are actually looking for superusers?" CreationDate="2009-10-08T10:09:07.053" />
  <row Id="319" PostId="249" Score="9" Text="How about careers.meta.stackoverflow.com?  Jobs for people who are good at talking about stuff?" CreationDate="2009-10-08T10:12:35.267" />
  <row Id="320" PostId="249" Text="@Ivo Who do you want providing tech support?" CreationDate="2009-10-08T10:50:45.980" />
  <row Id="321" PostId="249" Score="2" Text="I'd like to think I'm doing more than tech support on SU, although that's probably exactly what I'm doing :(" CreationDate="2009-10-08T10:58:49.087" />
  <row Id="322" PostId="252" Text="I just edited my post, the comment was getting to complicated" CreationDate="2009-10-15T09:57:43.353" />
  <row Id="323" PostId="252" Score="2" Text="I agree that having seperate sites doesn't make a great deal of sense, but I'd like to be able to have my Server Fault account be the prominant one, as thats where my skills really lie. It would also be good if employers looking for sysadmins could search for those with a high rep on SF rather than SO" CreationDate="2009-10-15T11:11:22.410" />
  <row Id="324" PostId="252" Text="if that's the case, then you got my $30... now where are my free serverfault stickers dammit! i keep checking my mailbox daily, but still nothing" CreationDate="2009-10-15T13:29:24.950" />
  <row Id="325" PostId="252" Score="3" Text="My 2 cents as a SF users...it get's annoying when the things done on the trilogy of sites center around SO and ignore the other communities. :)" CreationDate="2009-10-15T13:46:52.047" />
  <row Id="326" PostId="252" Score="1" Text="It would be really awesome to unsuppress the display of Serverfault badges on careers. I've got 101 on SO and 10K on SF. " CreationDate="2009-10-28T14:44:40.697" />
  <row Id="327" PostId="252" Text="Yep, would be great, i've got 1k on SO and 12K on SF" CreationDate="2009-10-29T14:10:06.623" />
  <row Id="328" PostId="252" Text="So @Jeff any news?" CreationDate="2010-03-09T06:34:50.623" />
  <row Id="329" PostId="253" Score="4" Text="Maybe take a look at this question, it discusses the issues of attracting more professionals to the other trilogy sites: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/26689/how-do-we-grow-the-server-fault-and-super-user-communities" CreationDate="2009-10-27T15:56:19.260" />
  <row Id="330" PostId="253" Text="I object, the &quot;tech support for developpers&quot; is already SuperUser :]" CreationDate="2009-10-27T16:14:20.687" />
  <row Id="331" PostId="253" Text="@Brandon - It looks like Jeff has similar concerns.  Maybe this is a dupe then. :)" CreationDate="2009-10-27T16:33:24.193" />
  <row Id="332" PostId="253" Text="@Gnoupi - It is hard to tell if there is a difference sometimes." CreationDate="2009-10-27T16:33:55.033" />
  <row Id="333" PostId="253" Score="1" Text="@DLux: Not all developers start out as technitions/support. @Everyone: All these answers should go into the duplicate question linked above. That was asked by Mt. Atwood himself. No better way to get your voice heard then answering a question from the man himself. " CreationDate="2009-10-27T18:13:30.190" />
  <row Id="334" PostId="253" Text="&quot;but maybe not so well if you are trying to figure out how to block STP broadcasts on a specific port for HP Procurves.&quot; but that's a highly specific niche -- I'd always recommend a specific community around that product first. You could also argue that sysadmins tend to be, by the very nature of their jobs, in these deep niches more than programmers." CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:11:14.980" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="335" PostId="254" Text="there is no question at all that the SF audience is fundamentally smaller.. you can see this just by trying to enumerate sysadmin / network / security blogs compared to programming blogs." CreationDate="2009-10-28T07:27:46.380" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="336" PostId="255" Text="I think your two points hit the nail on the head for me.  If I am a Windows admin, hitting the front page of http://serverfault.com pretty much shows a bunch of uninteresting questions, and a lot of SU type questions.  Second, rarely do you get rewarded or asking or answering tough questions.  Neither of these are problems at *other* sites (Experts Exchange, Technet, etc)." CreationDate="2009-10-27T18:30:05.133" />
  <row Id="337" PostId="255" Text="If you don't like the way the front page appears, you can rectify this using your interested and ignored tags section" CreationDate="2009-10-29T14:05:31.547" />
  <row Id="338" PostId="255" Text="@Sam_Cogan: That's true for regular users, but it has no effect on the new arrival's first impression." CreationDate="2009-11-14T05:29:43.537" />
  <row Id="339" PostId="256" Text="duplicate - http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/12513/stackoverflow-should-i-answer-my-own-question-or-not" CreationDate="2009-11-04T02:36:36.880" />
  <row Id="340" PostId="256" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/17845/stack-overflow-etiquette-for-answering-your-own-question &amp; http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/23712/consistently-answering-your-own-questions &amp; http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/19015/answering-your-own-question-immediately-closed" CreationDate="2009-11-04T02:37:53.977" />
  <row Id="341" PostId="256" Text="in general it is probably OK. And if you're thoughtful enough to ask here first, the odds of that go up exponentially :)" CreationDate="2009-11-04T03:18:17.370" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="342" PostId="259" Text="And why does that matter? And why doesn't the error message make that clear? And why did it only affect my attempts to link to serverfault and not meta/superuser? Why did it work from my home PC, then, which certainly has a completely different IP? " CreationDate="2009-11-06T15:17:20.477" />
  <row Id="343" PostId="260" Score="2" Text="I am colorblind and have thought this for awhile lol" CreationDate="2009-11-10T20:44:05.197" />
  <row Id="344" PostId="260" Text="I suspected a colorblind person would have trouble, but I didn't know." CreationDate="2009-11-10T20:50:41.770" />
  <row Id="345" PostId="260" Text="+1 I would totally be in support of this." CreationDate="2009-11-10T21:12:34.570" />
  <row Id="346" PostId="262" Score="2" Text="Dotted underlines of a lighter colour really do look pleasant." CreationDate="2009-11-10T22:46:54.477" />
  <row Id="347" PostId="262" Score="1" Text="Yeah, agree here as well.  I always bold the links to make them more distinguishable." CreationDate="2009-11-11T00:57:52.290" />
  <row Id="348" PostId="262" Text="my preference would be dotted underlines, with full underlines on mouse-hover" CreationDate="2009-11-12T00:38:32.450" />
  <row Id="349" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="This question would be better suited to Meta" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:20:25.803" />
  <row Id="350" PostId="263" Text="StackOverflow's meta? Why? I (and probably other admins) don't visit that site much." CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:22:34.833" />
  <row Id="351" PostId="263" Text="Oh, I see. I weren't aware that it included meta questions for serverfault. Still, I have a gut feeling that the discussion will drown over there.." CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:24:55.483" />
  <row Id="352" PostId="263" Score="7" Text="Disagree - this *does* belong on meta.  Meta is for discussion *about* the trilogy sites." CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:26:22.877" />
  <row Id="353" PostId="263" Text="Furthermore, this should have been a Community Wiki question" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:28:28.613" />
  <row Id="354" PostId="263" Text="Yeah, meta is for all 3 sites, its just there are more SO ones there. I agree that it may get drowned out by other questions, primarily because there aren't alot of significant meta users who are primarily SF users, which is really something that needs to change" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:28:37.660" />
  <row Id="355" PostId="263" Text="Sam: Thank you, exactly my point. Sadly it didn't help, it got moved to meta now. Edited the post to be community wiki." CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:34:25.723" />
  <row Id="356" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="Duplicate: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/26689/how-do-we-grow-the-server-fault-and-super-user-communities/26841#26841" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:38:19.510" />
  <row Id="357" PostId="263" Text="Pauska...I 100% agree with you.  Check out the responses to the question squillman linked to." CreationDate="2009-11-12T18:15:39.660" />
  <row Id="358" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="@Sam_Cogan:  And the fact that it's named Meta Stack Overflow might not make the SF and SU people feel entirely welcome." CreationDate="2009-11-12T19:01:55.653" />
  <row Id="359" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="@David Thornley: Well, First came SO, and the underlaying platform is called the Stack Overflow Engine, so it's fitting that its support/meta site is Meta StackOverflow" CreationDate="2009-11-12T22:35:23.883" />
  <row Id="360" PostId="263" Text="@Voyager and that's where some of the problems come from. Yes SO came first, but having everything focused on SO can make SF and SU users feel like second class citizens sometimes." CreationDate="2009-11-16T13:17:31.177" />
  <row Id="361" PostId="263" Text="As feared, the discussion drowned. Oh well." CreationDate="2009-11-16T20:22:27.913" />
  <row Id="362" PostId="263" Text="It's not a matter of SF-ers feeling like 2nd class, but meta clearly has its own community that's closer to SO, so this just doesn't seem like a good place to discuss SF." CreationDate="2009-11-22T23:02:39.080" />
  <row Id="363" PostId="264" Text="&quot;particularly who are interested in **answering** questions, rather than just **answering** questions.&quot; - Did you mean for the second one to be &quot;asking&quot;?" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:33:55.617" />
  <row Id="364" PostId="264" Text="Dennis: Taken care of now. :)" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:37:21.757" />
  <row Id="365" PostId="264" Text="Yep, that's what I meant, thanks for reading my mind :)" CreationDate="2009-11-12T16:38:46.700" />
  <row Id="366" PostId="264" Text="You think I like answering home server questions? Thought SU was the dump of SO, not SF..." CreationDate="2009-11-12T20:11:00.477" />
  <row Id="367" PostId="264" Text="You take time off from answering questions? Zow... I never thought about that...  &gt;smile&lt;" CreationDate="2009-11-13T00:09:10.003" />
  <row Id="368" PostId="264" Text="Ah, so now I see where I'm going wrong :) I'll catch you in no time now Evan :)" CreationDate="2009-11-13T09:44:50.043" />
  <row Id="369" PostId="264" Text="@Ivo: Hah!  I wish.  Plenty of stuff gets dumped into SF from SO that should go straight to SU." CreationDate="2009-11-15T17:21:51.323" />
  <row Id="370" PostId="265" Score="1" Text="I use tags, and it helps me to focus on the subjects I feel interesting, or atleast where I feel I can give a hand. The &quot;problem&quot; is that my tags are similar to this: Vmware, SAN, Exchange (etc). When I joined SF a few months back the frontpage would tag almost half of the post. Nowadays it's more like 3 posts in total." CreationDate="2009-11-12T23:47:42.957" />
  <row Id="371" PostId="266" Text="It's a valid point, but I find it hard to believe in the most difficult cases that people bring up (or should bring up, but don't)." CreationDate="2009-11-12T23:46:00.560" />
  <row Id="372" PostId="266" Text="Didn't physicists say something like that at the end of the 19th century... &quot;everything there is to know is already known&quot; or some such?" CreationDate="2009-11-15T17:22:47.607" />
  <row Id="373" PostId="266" Text="There are still many questions to ask, and that is even if you ignore new software/hardware/business developments. But most of the most common current problems are probably already answered on SF so will be found by a search, which reduces the number of &quot;good&quot; questions being asked to a certain extent." CreationDate="2009-11-18T11:09:01.807" />
  <row Id="374" PostId="267" Score="5" Text="It would be nice if the community could agree on where the boundaries *are*..." CreationDate="2009-11-15T14:45:40.463" />
  <row Id="375" PostId="268" Score="2" Text="I don't think you have to figure out what is wrong.  You just have to get lucky and figure out what to do right." CreationDate="2009-11-22T11:12:11.553" />
  <row Id="376" PostId="270" Score="4" Text="So Superuser's also Serverfault's garbagebin?" CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:17:35.013" />
  <row Id="377" PostId="271" Score="1" Text="what would you point to as correct examples of sites for professional admins? what do they do differently?" CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:36:45.890" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="378" PostId="272" Score="1" Text="well, I always follow up on the flags I see." CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:03:56.243" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="379" PostId="273" Text="We have idols on SO? Looks like I missed something..." CreationDate="2010-01-06T12:49:36.360" />
  <row Id="380" PostId="273" Text="What else do you call Jon Skeet? But maybe idol is something slightly different in English than I suppose from the use of the word in German [shrug]..." CreationDate="2010-01-06T13:48:10.217" />
  <row Id="381" PostId="273" Score="3" Text="Who identifies with TheTXI?" CreationDate="2010-01-06T18:29:21.290" />
  <row Id="382" PostId="274" Text="Most of the people here on meta are from SO, a few from SU, almost none from SF. That's a problem! It doesn't help your community because you're simply marginalized like that." CreationDate="2010-01-06T22:54:50.650" />
  <row Id="383" PostId="274" Score="1" Text="Very true. Although at one point I'd say 2 or 3 months ago, just about every high rep user on SF was trying to participate here, but would get their questions very quickly closed as a dupe (while the question may be the same, the answer for sysadmins is very different), voted into oblivion, or simply ignored. That gets frustrating when you are trying to grow a community you support." CreationDate="2010-01-06T23:05:22.963" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="384" PostId="274" Text="I totally agree with Zypher's comment. When I first started visiting MSO I felt highly unwelcome. So I went away for a few weeks, came back, and watched other SF'ers go through the same treatment. I just lurked for a few months watching what was going on and reading, without contributing. However, I feel MSO is a lot more 'settled' lately. But perhaps that's been becuase of the Christmas break and a lot of people are on holidays?" CreationDate="2010-01-07T01:30:49.540" />
  <row Id="385" PostId="275" Score="5" Text="Almost all the points you are trying to make have already been asked and debated on meta.  I understand you are frustrated, but posting this type of question is not the way to handle it." CreationDate="2009-11-14T02:14:58.937" />
  <row Id="386" PostId="275" Score="4" Text="Maybe we get this way because people call us blaming us for problems that we can't do anything with. Customer: why don't I see the dns changes I asked for ... site's not visible ... a day ago. Me (checks and everything looks fine: what ISP? Customer: AOL. ME: AOL implements non standard caching... Customer: Well that's not acceptable it has to be so and so you're supposed to suport... ... Me: I'm sorry you'll have to talk to AOL, we can't force them to conform to standards. Customer: ... ... Me: I'm sorry I have to let you go Ma'am." CreationDate="2009-11-14T02:23:23.933" />
  <row Id="387" PostId="275" Text="I agree with you that people should answer the questions asked and not give you a bunch of crap you didn't ask for, or at least give a real answer with the opinion. Trust me Developer's are worse than Admins." CreationDate="2009-11-14T02:25:14.583" />
  <row Id="388" PostId="275" Score="4" Text="Bravo, SpaceManSpiff. I haven't been here long but I've seen plenty of examples of arrogance, condescension, and non-professional behavior. If I'm being perfectly honest, I'm guilty of it as well. I'd like to see more of a community based on the intent and spirit of the questions\answers. We need less snide comments, haphazard and arbitrary downvotes, etc.&#xA;&#xA;As my boss tells me &quot;You have a massive but fragile ego&quot;. I suspect we all do and that might be at the root of the problem here." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:39:21.760" />
  <row Id="389" PostId="275" Text="@Nonapeptide: Once again the voice of reason. Wise beyond your years." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:59:28.693" />
  <row Id="390" PostId="275" Score="3" Text="I think the *subject* is probably appropriate for further discussion, but the way it was *expressed* is not doing the OP any favours.  It would need some heavy editing before I would vote to reopen.  For what it's worth, when deciding on a close vote I take each question on it's own merits and in context.  If it seems obvious that it's a home user problem from that context then SU is definitely more appropriate." CreationDate="2009-11-14T20:11:31.450" />
  <row Id="391" PostId="275" Text="I wrote the &quot;You're not eating lunch at your desk&quot; question ... @SpaceManSpiff I feel your pain, I usually give up on serverfault every 2 months. Honestly, about 80% of these questions are boring, and can be found through proper use of google. I would encourage you NOT to go, and start asking questions you want to see: be the change. I care about the craft of my profession, I care about the users I support, and most of all I care about using my work to make me a better person. There are many elements that make a SysAdmin, &amp; most of them aren't technical. I hope you enjoyed your bike ride. :-)" CreationDate="2009-11-15T01:05:29.140" />
  <row Id="392" PostId="275" Score="1" Text="I don't like loaded question like this one. It contains a questionable presupposition (as in &quot;Have you stopped beating your wife?&quot;). I think meta.stackoverflow.com is a better place for discussions." CreationDate="2009-11-15T16:57:23.650" />
  <row Id="393" PostId="275" Text="@splattne: Jeff (I assume) changed the title of the post from what was originally asked on SF, which messes up your comment." CreationDate="2009-11-17T18:07:51.197" />
  <row Id="394" PostId="277" Text="It's our nature most of the time, honestly. If you don't fit this mold you tend to have a lot of trouble dealing with the job or you become more of a manager than a person in the trenches, from what I've seen and experienced. Google &quot;the unspoken truth about managing geeks&quot; on the computerworld website." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:19:11.477" />
  <row Id="395" PostId="277" Text="We all have Aspergers either because we are genetically disposed to it thanks to our parents or because we were all vaccinated with the MMR vaccine when we were kids.  (There is Autism in my family so I get all the kooky theories as to why ASDs are the way they are.)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:37:25.403" />
  <row Id="396" PostId="277" Score="3" Text="@David:problem is that the vaccination theory is wrong...thimerosal was removed from vaccines back around 2000/2001 and autism rates continue to rise, and more and more studies are being released now that time has passed disputing any link between vaccines and autism." CreationDate="2009-11-14T11:56:29.957" />
  <row Id="397" PostId="278" Score="4" Text="All of your problems are your own problems. This site was created to *help* sysadmins with their problems. Being a jerk about it is kind of against the spirit of the site. And by the way...coming here IS a form of taking care of the problem; he came here asking for advice and experiences of others to find hints on coping and dealing with the issue. That's what the site is for!" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:21:48.490" />
  <row Id="398" PostId="278" Score="1" Text="And here is me thinking that the site is a Q&amp;A about system administration. Sorry. I didn't realise it was also an agony aunt column." CreationDate="2009-11-16T23:36:13.253" />
  <row Id="399" PostId="278" Score="1" Text="@John: And here is me thinking the site is a Q&amp;A about system administration issues that is community-driven. Sorry. I didn't realize this was a straightforward meta-Google with a pre-filter for vaguely-defined system administration results." CreationDate="2009-11-17T12:30:34.867" />
  <row Id="400" PostId="279" Score="1" Text="What does it mean for the site to &quot;succeed&quot;? I'd like to see a common frame of reference w/ respect to this &quot;success&quot; that's been mentioned on here and on meta. I, for one, care rather deeply about Server Fault because it's been the source of a lot of fulfillent and enjoyment. I also haven't been particular disappointed by the &quot;tone&quot; of the site. I'd like to see more traffic, but there's rarely a day that goes by that I don't see a question that's engaging and fun to respond to (or, if I'm late to the party, that's fun to read and comment on)." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:34:22.707" />
  <row Id="401" PostId="279" Score="2" Text="Evan: The interesting questions come from the people who are deep in the trenches. The few interesting questions get lost in the flood of lame questions. The difficult questions don't necessarily get answered because the deep-in-the-trenches sysadmins have mostly left. The topic of the site is too broad and except for the n00b questions that flood the site, the &quot;interesting&quot; questions are better served by focused communities. " CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:37:27.380" />
  <row Id="402" PostId="279" Score="5" Text="I think Karl hit the nail on the head.  The site is really filled with beginner questions (and answers), and it takes some effort to filter through them.  From time to time that is interesting, but it is certainly rare to see some of the more difficult deployment/config/troubleshooting questions that come up on other sites.  I guess I had high hopes based on the success of Stack Overflow which probably led to my disappointment here." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:43:41.283" />
  <row Id="403" PostId="279" Score="3" Text="I can only confess that I may have no basis for comparison. I haven't been as taken by any other community IT support-related sites and I've spent no time comparing Server Fault to the &quot;competition&quot;. Perhaps I'm guilty of enjoying answering &quot;beginner&quot; questions a bit too much. I'd be interested to see some references to &quot;deep in the trenches&quot; questions that you find interesting. Personally, I'd much rather have a subjective discussion of management policies than, say, banter about some particular odd behaviour of some IOS version. Vendor tech support is for that, IMO." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:51:12.330" />
  <row Id="404" PostId="279" Text="Is the site so broken we need to circumvent the question upvoting? ;)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:52:35.603" />
  <row Id="405" PostId="279" Score="1" Text="@Karl &amp; @DLux: What you're saying is based on your frame of reference and your experience. If I'm a new sysadmin responsible for one server and 10 workstations and I have a question about setting up a DHCP server, is that question too beginner-ish? Maybe for you, but not for me and isn't that the purpose of this site: to be a tool for sysadmins of all levels who manage systems of all sizes. If we weeded out questions and users based on our own frame of reference and experience then in pretty short order Evan and a few others would be the only ones left who weren't asking beginner-ish questions" CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:55:40.323" />
  <row Id="406" PostId="279" Text="@Evan - I would love to see some deep discussion on things like management policies, but how would that work here?  It would end up as a long string of comments just like this question. :)   As for interesting questions, let's look at something like the TCO of running Exchange on premise versus purchasing a hosted solution?  Or maybe a comparison of remote access solutions that look at ease of deployment, cost, end user support, policy control and ability to navigate through firewalls hostile to my remote users." CreationDate="2009-11-14T03:59:47.647" />
  <row Id="407" PostId="279" Text="@joeqwerty - Those questions are fine, but not when they are 90% of the content here.  Of course, maybe that is the goal of the site and I should follow SpaceManSpiff out the door...." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:02:34.443" />
  <row Id="408" PostId="279" Text="@DLux: One solution might be too implement some type of categorization\forum style (instead of tags) that would allow people to hone in and focus on those categories of system administration that interest them most. Another option would be to pay closer attention to the tags and avoid the questions that you think fall into the areas you find beginner-ish or uninteresting. I tend to look at the title of the question and tags and only click on those I find interesting or think I can contribute to." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:16:24.150" />
  <row Id="409" PostId="279" Score="2" Text="@DLux: So, how would a discussion about the &quot;TCO of running Exchange on premise&quot; work any better? This is a Q&amp;A site, and the engine isn't well suited to discussions. Frankly, I think you want something that this site isn't. Maybe it will &quot;fail&quot; because &quot;serious&quot; sysadmins don't need Q&amp;A. Maybe it will &quot;succeed&quot; with more entry-level and beginning sysadmins because they do want a place to ask (or refer to others having already asked) more &quot;beginning&quot; questions." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:17:07.067" />
  <row Id="410" PostId="279" Text="Good point Evan. So let's go create a SysAdmin roundtable discussion site and call it a day. =)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:31:07.210" />
  <row Id="411" PostId="279" Text="&quot;This is a Q&amp;A site&quot; seems to be a common excuse (even From Mr. Atwood).  Maybe you are right and this site isn't what I am looking for; however, I think you will find may people on here that agree with me.  The fact that SF only garners 5% of the traffic compared to SO is telling." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:47:22.277" />
  <row Id="412" PostId="279" Text="Yea, closed.  :rolleyes:" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:55:36.067" />
  <row Id="413" PostId="279" Text="I think they play much rougher over at SO than here. I think the difference has as much or more to do with 1) the inherent difference in the industry and 2) the fact that JA and JS have an established programmer following and we don't have an admin figurehead to bring traffic here." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:57:57.827" />
  <row Id="414" PostId="279" Text="I wish Tom Limoncelli was here." CreationDate="2009-11-14T18:12:14.513" />
  <row Id="415" PostId="279" Text="@DLux: I was calling you out re: the Exchange discussion because of your question &quot;I would love to see some deep discussion ... but how would that work here?&quot; followed by the incongruous statement &quot;...let's look at hte TCO of running Exchange...&quot;. Since you weren't sure how one discussion was going to work, I was confused by how you thought another might. If you want to have those discussions ask a question to get one started! Throw a bounty on it if you want to attract more traffic. I'll pitch in my viewpoint and others will as well. If that's what you want from the site, make it happen." CreationDate="2009-11-15T02:44:45.413" />
  <row Id="416" PostId="279" Text="Exactly! Be the change you want to see. Also, don't give up when it doesn't work out like you want it to on the first, second or fiftieth try. Anything worth pursuing should be worth the repeated efforts (assuming that there's nothing much more fundamentally borked underneath). Let's see if we can get some hardcore community wiki discussions rolling. " CreationDate="2009-11-15T18:00:15.687" />
  <row Id="417" PostId="279" Text="...however, the pursuit of that change might expose some heretofore unappreciated borkedness. One problem I see so far that could seriously hamper discussions is the way this site lays out discussions. It's difficult to respond to posts and continue a side discussion with the way comments are layed out. That might imply that indeed this site isn't best suited for &quot;deep dive&quot; discussions. The more I think about it the more it seems like sysadmin-network.com is a good example of how this desire could/should be fulfilled.  " CreationDate="2009-11-15T18:06:15.610" />
  <row Id="418" PostId="280" Text="Nicely put...(side note...seeing all your activity and contributions on the site, are you an AI? But seriously, nicely worded response, as are most of your responses...)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:17:23.633" />
  <row Id="419" PostId="280" Text="I have been accused of being an A.I. from time to time, but you'd think differently if you saw how much natural stupidity I exhibit regularly. Thanks for the kind words, though. My ego is a dangerous thing to feed." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:37:02.610" />
  <row Id="420" PostId="280" Score="2" Text="+1, agree -- nicely put.  Personally, I do appreciate the diversity of perspectives and advice on this site...  I'm happy to see questions from beginners as well as ones about more advanced/specific topics, as long as it relates to admin'ing -- be it at a 25-person company or a 25,000-person one.  If a questions skews more towards programming or end/single user, migrating is good for everyone, and will usually result in better answers for the asker. " CreationDate="2009-11-14T05:30:16.153" />
  <row Id="421" PostId="280" Text="@Evan: I probably was the once asking. I have no idea how you're able to post so much throughout the day and still get work done (and the posts seem well crafted with CORRECT SPELLING! Wow!) Egos need feeding once in awhile...we're in a meritocracy-based field. If we didn't get our egos stroked once in awhile I think many might quit in frustration and taking so much blame and crap but getting so little in return otherwise (unless you're one of the lucky ones making 6 or near 6 figures...)" CreationDate="2009-11-14T12:00:41.660" />
  <row Id="422" PostId="282" Text="that's a definite plusOne there" CreationDate="2009-11-14T11:29:04.243" />
  <row Id="423" PostId="282" Text="Great points! {pad}{pad}" CreationDate="2009-11-14T14:57:31.753" />
  <row Id="424" PostId="283" Text="I'll toss you a +1, but so far, raising concerns like this through proper channels hasn't resulted in any changes to SF." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:52:31.753" />
  <row Id="425" PostId="283" Text="@DLux: Yeah, I understand your concern there, and you're right.  It seems it's a bit of a common theme across the sites at the time.  SF seems to have a VERY low representation over on Meta (at least active representation).  If these concerns are raised more often and actively discussed then I think we'd have a better chance of seeing things change for those who desire it." CreationDate="2009-11-14T04:56:46.847" />
  <row Id="426" PostId="283" Text="I've tried...it didn't work http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/27454/improving-server-fault-closed" CreationDate="2009-11-14T05:04:20.777" />
  <row Id="427" PostId="283" Text="@DLux: I know from some email conversations that I've had that Jeff Atwood is pretty serious about driving more traffic to Server Fault. At this point, I think it's safe to say that Jeff and the team are open to ideas. FWIW, my best efforts to drive traffic and new questions, to date, have been to pass the word around to my friends and collegues. It's *especially* nice when I can find them an answer to a question they've got as a Server Fault link (which is easier than writing an answer for them myself, as a bonus) to introduce them to the site." CreationDate="2009-11-15T02:48:26.717" />
  <row Id="428" PostId="283" Text="@Evan: There's a pretty good chance that if you direct someone to an answer here, you **did** write it yourself.  :)" CreationDate="2009-11-17T00:08:06.503" />
  <row Id="429" PostId="285" Text="This sounds like a duplicate of http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/26689/how-do-we-grow-the-server-fault-and-super-user-communities" CreationDate="2009-11-17T18:40:03.150" />
  <row Id="430" PostId="285" Text="I agree with Kyle. That was my first thought." CreationDate="2009-11-17T18:46:29.067" />
  <row Id="431" PostId="285" Score="2" Text="This is another example of why discussions should not be marked as duplicate.  Instead of re-approaching the problem, the fresh interest is redirected to a dead question." CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:15:11.493" />
  <row Id="432" PostId="285" Score="2" Text="@Andomar: I would agree with you in some cases. But in this one, that question is only 2/3 weeks old and was posted by Mr. Jeff Atwood himself. " CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:38:22.700" />
  <row Id="433" PostId="285" Score="1" Text="FWIW, this could easily be four separate questions / suggestions. And not all of them would be duplicates... but combined together under this heading, they kinda have to be." CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:47:00.470" />
  <row Id="434" PostId="287" Score="5" Text="Sure you have a better argument than &quot;please stop&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:50:46.313" />
  <row Id="435" PostId="287" Score="3" Text="Obligatory duplicate list: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/28612/1, http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/8578/2, arguably http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/10841/3 ... " CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:55:47.583" />
  <row Id="436" PostId="287" Text="no................" CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:56:20.577" />
  <row Id="437" PostId="287" Score="3" Text="Yes. What's the fundamental difference between this and 28612 or 8578?" CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:58:34.473" />
  <row Id="438" PostId="287" Score="1" Text="Hmmm, you tagged this as a rant.  I have a feeling this will end up like every other question tagged &quot;rant&quot; ... downvoted." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:03:24.560" />
  <row Id="439" PostId="287" Score="2" Text="You know what DLux?  You're right.  That question shouldn't have been closed as a duplicate.  I'm sorry.  It should have been closed as NOT A REAL QUESTION." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:09:58.807" />
  <row Id="440" PostId="287" Text="How about I re-ask it as a **real question** and one that's clearly different from Jeff's: &quot;Why are people leaving ServerFault?&quot; " CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:26:16.950" />
  <row Id="441" PostId="287" Text="Aren't the answers going to be essentially the same, though?  It's merely a different form of the same primary issue." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:34:02.100" />
  <row Id="442" PostId="287" Text="Possibly/probably, and for now I _have_ just added what I had asked as an answer to Jeff's question.  I still there might be some value in a discussion that is primarily among SF posters to clarify what might be &quot;wrong&quot; with SF that could be improved." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:41:14.723" />
  <row Id="443" PostId="287" Score="3" Text="closed wwwwwwww" CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:55:17.553" />
  <row Id="444" PostId="287" Score="4" Text="Oh, the irony of this being closed as a duplicate, it maketh me happy." CreationDate="2009-11-17T21:04:55.867" />
  <row Id="445" PostId="288" Score="3" Text="+1; even on Meta we need to keep our house clean." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:01:24.017" />
  <row Id="446" PostId="288" Score="3" Text="*Especially* on meta; we've got a huge number of dupes rehashing the same issues, that I wish we could just merge into one central uber-question for each topic." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:04:16.850" />
  <row Id="447" PostId="289" Text="3 weeks is old.  Add an answer, see if you get any feedback." CreationDate="2009-11-17T19:57:46.613" />
  <row Id="448" PostId="289" Score="3" Text="3 weeks is only old if you're a fly. It's still relevant, and rehashing the same points over and over is ... well ... pointless." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:00:17.043" />
  <row Id="449" PostId="289" Score="4" Text="Your suggestion/feedback would be read directly by one of the core people of the sites. Just because you don't get immeditate feedback doesn't mean your idea is ignored or not considered." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:01:37.777" />
  <row Id="450" PostId="291" Score="2" Text="I would say &quot;in addition to&quot; instead of &quot;instead of.&quot; They need to be closed as dupes, but additionally the merge should absolutely be done." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:17:31.117" />
  <row Id="451" PostId="291" Text="@John/Cigars: yes, that is of course what I meant :) and IMHO not enough deleting of closed questions is done; once a dupe has been folded into the original it should be deleted so it stops turning up in search results and causing further confusion." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:59:03.800" />
  <row Id="452" PostId="291" Text="Agreed on all parts with the edit &amp; latest comment, +1. (And I apparently have 5 votes left today ... ) " CreationDate="2009-11-17T21:39:24.977" />
  <row Id="453" PostId="292" Score="3" Text="Try starting 20 different &quot;weather&quot; conversations with the same person, when the weather *hasn't changed*. See how that works out..." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:40:17.673" />
  <row Id="454" PostId="292" Score="1" Text="Meta is the place to talk about StackOverflow." CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:47:03.870" />
  <row Id="455" PostId="292" Text="Noise is noise, no matter what site you're on. But yes, Meta is the place to talk about StackOverflow, SuperUser and ServerFault. " CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:51:09.730" />
  <row Id="456" PostId="292" Text="Somehow, &quot;Promises to be a nice weekend&quot; is a more productive opener than &quot;I wanna talk about this bug in your code&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-17T20:53:06.903" />
  <row Id="457" PostId="292" Score="1" Text="Ok: Its a bright and sunny day here in the Southern US - oh, and your response is still wrong. Did that really help?" CreationDate="2009-11-17T21:04:44.930" />
  <row Id="458" PostId="292" Text="It's raining in Chicagoland, but I have to give @AnonJr +1 for that. Sorry @Andomar, I'm still -1 on your answer here. Noise is noise, no matter how it starts. :)" CreationDate="2009-11-17T21:41:05.037" />
  <row Id="459" PostId="293" Score="5" Text="Would those tags be candidates for the planned tag black list? http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/19018/implement-a-tag-black-list" CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:45:11.530" />
  <row Id="460" PostId="293" Text="@Troggy - indeed they would." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:47:31.307" />
  <row Id="461" PostId="293" Score="2" Text="Troggy, these tags are the reason why this list was suggested." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:49:11.150" />
  <row Id="462" PostId="293" Text="Yes, ignore my question mark. Look, a badger!" CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:50:06.437" />
  <row Id="463" PostId="293" Score="4" Text="There are no &quot;belongs-on-superuser&quot; questions on stack overflow because everyone on stack overflow appears to punt *anything* that doesn't belong there to serverfault, even if it's obviously a superuser question..." CreationDate="2009-11-19T10:08:31.993" />
  <row Id="464" PostId="293" Text="Noooo! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1765365/format-usb-flash-drive-8gb-to-be-bootable-closed got migrated to SU with the tag intact, so unless a moderator sees and has mercy we're stuck with a permanent belongs-on-superuser question." CreationDate="2009-11-19T22:56:28.567" />
  <row Id="465" PostId="293" Score="4" Text="Um, I'm completely stunned to learn that belongs-on* is evil. I saw them, and when I got points to retag,  I started to use them, and I've never seen anything to indicate that I was trangressing. More propaganda needed?" CreationDate="2009-11-21T19:03:01.943" />
  <row Id="466" PostId="293" Text="@bmargulies - it's one of the &quot;unwritten&quot; rules rather than being something in the faq for example. It's come up here on meta quite a few times. The problem is that these tags are just noise especially when they get left on questions that have been migrated." CreationDate="2009-11-21T20:42:49.280" />
  <row Id="467" PostId="293" Text="@bmargulies: I had the same problem. I've seen this &quot;belongs-to-*&quot; and since I don't regularly reads all meta feature requests/modifications I didn't know it's being &quot;deprecated&quot;. I would like to have an &quot;Advanced FAQ&quot; that can address all these hidden rules of SO. I thought I was just being good for the community and now people say it's evil." CreationDate="2009-12-28T15:30:46.727" />
  <row Id="468" PostId="293" Score="1" Text="Yesterday and today someone went in and tagged some questions belongs-on-doctype. This tag is even more abominable in my opinion because questions cannot be migrated to doctype, nor is there a clear line between what's acceptable on SO and what belongs on doctype." CreationDate="2010-01-31T03:18:24.557" />
  <row Id="469" PostId="293" Text="I got 407 problems, but a tag ain't one." CreationDate="2010-04-07T17:30:14.717" />
  <row Id="470" PostId="293" Text="excellent, thanks for cleaning this up!" CreationDate="2010-04-08T03:21:11.970" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="471" PostId="293" Text="When a question is moved from stack overflow to server fault, is it normal that the associated answers are marked as deleted?&#xA;Or was that only because (at the time) I had only ever logged in to stack overflow, never to server fault?" CreationDate="2010-06-08T05:25:00.317" />
  <row Id="472" PostId="293" Text="It is unfortunate that I cannot do anything to clean up serverfault given that the vast majority of these questions are closed." CreationDate="2010-06-08T06:56:05.273" />
  <row Id="473" PostId="293" Text="@DouglasDD - yes it's normal that answers are deleted from the original question." CreationDate="2010-06-09T09:57:29.103" />
  <row Id="474" PostId="293" Text="@Zoredache - When the quick tag editing was introduced you could edit the tags on closed questions, which is how I was able to remove the tags from Stack Overflow. I couldn't do Server Fault as I don't have enough rep. However, that feature was removed so now only very few people can remove those tags now." CreationDate="2010-06-09T09:59:06.663" />
  <row Id="475" PostId="294" Text="+1 for removing the tag when voting" CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:59:20.880" />
  <row Id="476" PostId="294" Score="1" Text="I always remove the tag when someone adds it to a question. Doesn't stop that person from retagging it back. You'd think people would be capable of getting the hint." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:59:33.627" />
  <row Id="477" PostId="294" Score="2" Text="@Brandon: That kind of thing makes me wish there were a way, over TCP/IP, to smack 'em with a sock full o' nickels ... (Yes, I'm kidding, but sadly you're right, some people just don't get the hint.)" CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:01:40.457" />
  <row Id="478" PostId="294" Score="1" Text="@Brandon - I've started adding a comment - well two actually. The first to the owner to head on over to the other site and set up an account and the second to tell everyone else not to add the &quot;belongs-on&quot; tag back." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:02:46.757" />
  <row Id="479" PostId="294" Score="1" Text="+1 &quot;... grinds my gears&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:05:25.893" />
  <row Id="480" PostId="294" Text="@ChrisF, I've started telling people to stop retagging it, however I don't usually tell the OP to head over to the other site. I use to, but then I began to realize that if it was taking too long to gain 5 votes, the OP would just go ask the question on the other site rather than waiting for it to be migrated." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:09:48.380" />
  <row Id="481" PostId="294" Score="2" Text="I usually put an edit reason of &quot;belongs-on-* is not a valid tag&quot;. On the other hand, adding that tag to an old question might be the only way a low-rep user can draw attention to it - except for flagging for moderator attention, of course." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:47:23.587" />
  <row Id="482" PostId="294" Text="Ah, but flagging for mod attention is the correct way to do that." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:50:41.053" />
  <row Id="483" PostId="294" Text="these tags get automatically removed when migration occurs.. FYI. Anything beginning with &quot;belongs-on-&quot;" CreationDate="2009-11-19T01:18:15.733" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="484" PostId="294" Score="2" Text="@Jeff - but the tag is remaining on old posts which is cluttering up the site." CreationDate="2009-11-19T10:09:55.330" />
  <row Id="485" PostId="294" Text="@Cigars: I look forward to your RFC proposal for an SfoNoIP protocol." CreationDate="2009-11-19T10:09:55.580" />
  <row Id="486" PostId="294" Text="@womble: That **so** makes two of us! I wonder if I can at least send the `printer_on_fire` message remotely. Ahhh, but to dream ... " CreationDate="2009-11-19T14:37:04.720" />
  <row Id="487" PostId="295" Score="2" Text="I really can't tell if you're being facetious or not." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:58:04.907" />
  <row Id="488" PostId="295" Score="2" Text="Add a comment or if it's really desperate flag the post. I can't speak for anyone else but I can often tell if a question belongs on one of the other sites from it's title." CreationDate="2009-11-18T21:58:49.510" />
  <row Id="489" PostId="295" Score="6" Text="Hmm, hiding behind that wiki blanket again are we?" CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:06:47.420" />
  <row Id="490" PostId="295" Score="1" Text="I think I have an answer on facetiousness ... Well Lance, I'd say we should agree to disagree, but the powers that be have already come down against using `[belongs-on*]`: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/4128/so-it-is-written-so-it-shall-be/4211#4211" CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:12:36.693" />
  <row Id="491" PostId="295" Score="2" Text="The other thing you (as a &lt; 3000 rep user) can do is add a comment with a link to the duplicate. This will get picked up and used." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:32:31.790" />
  <row Id="492" PostId="295" Text="@ChrisF, I use all the options: migrate, comment and tag." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:44:25.167" />
  <row Id="493" PostId="295" Score="3" Text="But tag is not a valid option, according to the site's management. Thus, it should not be done. It creates noise and garbage. The only people who search for those tags are people like me, who occasionally want to go on a cleanup binge, and even I've given up on it because 90% of the questions with the tags are already migrated. Bottom line: **don't do it.** Migrate, comment, and flag if needed, but leave `[belongs-on-*]` out of it." CreationDate="2009-11-18T22:52:28.977" />
  <row Id="494" PostId="295" Text="After the question is closed and moved, it no longer belongs on the site at all. It is doomed to oblivion after it falls of the front page, except to mods and pseudo-mods. There is no reason for it to be organized or tagged at all." CreationDate="2009-11-19T04:01:54.580" />
  <row Id="495" PostId="298" Text="But which one is to be left?" CreationDate="2009-11-22T22:37:33.073" />
  <row Id="496" PostId="298" Text="does it matter?  keep singular it has more tags" CreationDate="2009-11-23T04:00:16.937" />
  <row Id="497" PostId="298" Text="It does matter and you don't even bother to note the tag counts." CreationDate="2009-11-24T00:33:54.593" />
  <row Id="498" PostId="300" Text="The private beta ended on that date. What about the public beta?" CreationDate="2009-12-01T01:30:51.437" />
  <row Id="499" PostId="302" Text="This question is basically &quot;Help me do answering and voting, I'm a beginner at Stack Overflow with no idea what to do&quot; :)" CreationDate="2009-12-02T01:43:48.783" />
  <row Id="500" PostId="302" Text="this is a dup of any number of questions: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/3251 http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/9663 http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/26100 http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/31104 http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/1586" CreationDate="2009-12-02T01:52:36.680" />
  <row Id="501" PostId="302" Text="More interesting is what to do about the users who persistently ask these type of questions without giving any making use of (or, sometimes, even remembering from one day to the next) the answers." CreationDate="2009-12-02T17:21:14.587" />
  <row Id="502" PostId="302" Text="It's not a dup of **any** of those questions, those are all about &quot;easy&quot; questions, this was about someone who doesn't quite know what he's asking." CreationDate="2009-12-02T22:43:22.867" />
  <row Id="503" PostId="304" Text="I went with downvote in this case because it seemed too vague a question.  Maybe there's a language issue, but if someone has no idea what functions a mail server performs, it seems more like &quot;help me&quot; than an actual question.  Next time I'll probably go back to ignore or maybe try &quot;suggest a resource.&quot;" CreationDate="2009-12-01T23:41:22.487" />
  <row Id="504" PostId="305" Text="+1, clever, and (IMHO) the right answer." CreationDate="2009-12-01T23:50:41.983" />
  <row Id="505" PostId="305" Score="3" Text="This is just the Biblical Golden Rule ... always a good one. " CreationDate="2009-12-02T00:32:03.657" />
  <row Id="506" PostId="306" Text="you can flag it offensive, after 6 flags they take a 100 rep penalty.  that's basically a slap in the back of the head. :)" CreationDate="2009-12-02T01:45:21.747" />
  <row Id="507" PostId="306" Score="2" Text="@Kip: not for comments." CreationDate="2009-12-02T01:56:56.313" />
  <row Id="508" PostId="306" Text="Not every link to google results is an offense against humanity. Often, if the question is perfectly straightforward, and the relevant answer is an entire tutorial, a good tutorial link is the best answer. I only do this when I know enough about the subject to vet the thing I'm posting the link to." CreationDate="2009-12-02T23:32:41.043" />
  <row Id="509" PostId="308" Score="12" Text="Or just implement tag synonyms and make the two mean the same thing." CreationDate="2009-12-02T18:49:56.310" />
  <row Id="510" PostId="308" Score="8" Text="@jjnguy:  Agreed.  Those who like that idea should upvote this: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms" CreationDate="2009-12-02T18:53:28.037" />
  <row Id="511" PostId="308" Text="It's the request that keeps on requesting." CreationDate="2009-12-07T10:12:11.823" />
  <row Id="512" PostId="308" Score="1" Text="@jjinguy: I think synonyms are a bad idea, but automatic re-naming at edit/creation time would be better." CreationDate="2009-12-07T17:40:30.000" />
  <row Id="513" PostId="308" Text="Could someone please do it on Server Fault too?" CreationDate="2009-12-16T13:14:51.083" />
  <row Id="514" PostId="308" Text="I updated tag counts. Time for new tag merge?" CreationDate="2010-03-23T17:43:03.077" />
  <row Id="515" PostId="308" Text="done on SU: 2010-04-02" CreationDate="2010-04-02T07:47:29.523" />
  <row Id="516" PostId="308" Text="Updated tag counts. Server Fault still has a significant number of svn and subversion tags." CreationDate="2010-04-23T13:20:24.133" />
  <row Id="517" PostId="310" Score="2" Text="6 to 8 weeks..." CreationDate="2009-12-15T19:35:49.540" />
  <row Id="518" PostId="310" Text="@Pol, it's interesting that http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms now stands strong at 68 upvotes." CreationDate="2010-03-23T18:21:36.990" />
  <row Id="519" PostId="311" Text="Doing that many retags manually is annoying because captcha kicks in all the time." CreationDate="2010-05-02T11:11:49.283" />
  <row Id="520" PostId="311" Text="@Juha: After a while, you get used to it. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/captcha" CreationDate="2010-05-02T15:13:34.683" />
  <row Id="521" PostId="313" Text="It did show up correctly here so perhaps it is just serverfault? The post in question can be found here: http://serverfault.com/questions/90676/how-does-ssh-port-forwarding-work-exactly Those with the ability to edit other's posts can roll back the revision on my post to see what I'm talking about" CreationDate="2009-12-03T16:32:18.450" />
  <row Id="522" PostId="313" Text="errrr... looks correct to me" CreationDate="2009-12-03T16:32:19.883" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="523" PostId="313" Score="1" Text="You edited your post fast enough that there isn't any revision to look at." CreationDate="2009-12-03T16:33:57.760" />
  <row Id="524" PostId="313" Text="By design - nothing is so important that it should both be bold and italic.  Choose one or the other, but not both.  And please, ***choose wisely!***" CreationDate="2009-12-03T18:07:59.400" />
  <row Id="525" PostId="314" Text="In this case, the user wasn't actually after intra-word formatting; he just happened to be formatting words that would normally have been interpreted that way by non-SO Markdown engines." CreationDate="2009-12-03T16:49:00.150" />
  <row Id="526" PostId="317" Text="I _really_ want more than just one upvote for &quot;Do the sysadminly thing...&quot;" CreationDate="2009-12-06T04:56:34.027" />
  <row Id="527" PostId="318" Text="Hmm.  That might be a little too much friction, but it would get the point across. ...  And lest I be guilty of what I am carping about, I guess I'll pick *this* as an answer  :-)" CreationDate="2009-12-14T21:46:26.577" />
  <row Id="528" PostId="319" Text="Upvotes are nice.  But I just thought it odd that &quot;the answer&quot; was seldom selected (on many/most questions, not just the *very* few I happened to toss a few crumbs at)" CreationDate="2009-12-14T21:45:07.390" />
  <row Id="529" PostId="322" Score="6" Text="Hover your mouse over the downvote button. Wait till the tooltip pops up. Read it. What do you think now, is the best thing to do?" CreationDate="2010-01-05T18:00:58.653" />
  <row Id="530" PostId="322" Score="4" Text="A link to the user would be helpful." CreationDate="2010-01-05T18:02:18.803" />
  <row Id="531" PostId="322" Text="I kind of didn't want this to be about this particular user in a way, more about their behaviour but if you want it it's http://serverfault.com/users/23439/toretrygg" CreationDate="2010-01-05T18:40:02.540" />
  <row Id="532" PostId="322" Text="oh him ... although his questions sound me to me like asking us to do his job in it's entirety. Namely researching a new product.  I don't mind helping, but I don't get paid to do your job." CreationDate="2010-01-05T22:56:38.613" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="533" PostId="322" Score="5" Text="I really like him -- he's helping me get my Electorate badge (by downvoting all his inane and repetitive questions)." CreationDate="2010-01-06T00:50:56.807" />
  <row Id="534" PostId="322" Text="hahaha - funniest post of the day :)" CreationDate="2010-01-06T09:44:37.343" />
  <row Id="535" PostId="322" Text="Well, at least he's accepting answers!" CreationDate="2010-01-29T03:16:45.427" />
  <row Id="536" PostId="322" Text="@Zypher: sure you are. You're being paid in reputation points." CreationDate="2010-01-30T10:38:36.890" />
  <row Id="537" PostId="324" Text="Why not rather edit the question and add the acknowledgement. It makes it easier then hitting the user for reputation when they are meeting the goal of the SF site?" CreationDate="2010-01-29T05:16:26.483" />
  <row Id="538" PostId="325" Score="1" Text="...And if you follow his website &quot; http://www.networkmonitor.blog.com/ &quot; to his blog, it is an ad. blog, and can you guess what company's products is he advertising? :o) " CreationDate="2010-01-06T08:19:50.533" />
  <row Id="539" PostId="325" Text="For his 12 posts only 1 has a single upvote.  He's not doing a good job, is he?" CreationDate="2010-01-06T08:26:02.173" />
  <row Id="540" PostId="326" Text="And within his blog there are copy-pasted texts from ibm.com and, perhaps, other places.  Just disgusting!" CreationDate="2010-01-06T08:33:06.120" />
  <row Id="541" PostId="329" Text="I see, his account has been removed already." CreationDate="2010-01-06T09:16:30.233" />
  <row Id="542" PostId="329" Text="and the &quot; iron-hand of justice.&quot; strikes again :)" CreationDate="2010-01-06T09:27:38.727" />
  <row Id="544" PostId="333" Score="1" Text="Seems like a reasonable question to me, so I've +1ed it. You're now up a net of 10 points (since the normal -2 didn't affect you because you only had 1 rep). Exciting times." CreationDate="2010-01-08T08:55:57.773" />
  <row Id="545" PostId="333" Text="Thank you.  I gave you a point too :)" CreationDate="2010-01-29T15:27:19.023" />
  <row Id="546" PostId="334" Score="3" Text="Perhaps, when all this was conceived, it was thought that the 2 rep point penalty to the *downvoter* would be a slight disincentive. But as rep scores get higher and higher, it's probably no disincentive at all." CreationDate="2010-01-08T05:12:51.000" />
  <row Id="547" PostId="334" Text="+1 I agree. Downvoting a question isn't something that merits reporting, and people don't have to justify their votes either way if they don't want to." CreationDate="2010-01-08T06:31:40.460" />
  <row Id="548" PostId="334" Text="@pavium - I think you mean 1 rep point penalty to the downvoter." CreationDate="2010-01-08T08:57:13.153" />
  <row Id="549" PostId="334" Text="@Dominic, thanks, I was confusing the downvoter and downvoted." CreationDate="2010-01-08T10:02:28.107" />
  <row Id="550" PostId="336" Text="I had initially suspected the same as your second point, that people should still participate in already answered questions.  But note that on Stack Overflow and Super User the distinction between not answered and answered questions is very much in your face, almost the most noticeable element on the page." CreationDate="2010-01-13T14:40:55.500" />
  <row Id="551" PostId="336" Text="No argument there. I think I may have mis-stated -- it was probably less a by-design decision and more a by-designer decision. ;)" CreationDate="2010-01-13T15:25:44.460" />
  <row Id="552" PostId="338" Score="1" Text="I would vote to take [vista] -&gt; [windows-vista], even given the totals." CreationDate="2010-01-12T21:00:38.370" />
  <row Id="553" PostId="339" Text="Sysnonyms are on the plate for the developers.  It is in `status-planned`.  Anyways, I agree here.  +1 for `windows-vista`." CreationDate="2010-01-12T21:09:24.527" />
  <row Id="554" PostId="341" Text="A note in your profile (that you write) could not accomplish the same?" CreationDate="2010-03-15T13:43:46.583" />
  <row Id="555" PostId="342" Text="I suppose so, but my intent was for the checkbox to trigger some kind of visual cue on my question." CreationDate="2010-01-19T11:57:32.753" />
  <row Id="556" PostId="343" Text="It didn't occur to me that there might be a beginner tag.  Thanks, that's much simpler!" CreationDate="2010-01-19T11:58:56.370" />
  <row Id="557" PostId="343" Text="Dominic: Actually they are not fine according to the first sentence of the FAQ: &#xA;&quot;Server Fault is for system administrators and IT professionals, people who manage or maintain computers in a professional capacity. If you are in charge of ...&quot;&#xA;&#xA;However, plenty of developers ask good questions so if the developer has bothered to do some research or has a decent understanding of IT and it is not 'Do my sysadmin work for me' , than it is okay I think." CreationDate="2010-01-28T20:29:23.597" />
  <row Id="558" PostId="346" Score="4" Text="No, you actually write code.  We notice when non-programmers post: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1003841/how-do-i-move-the-turtle-in-logo" CreationDate="2010-01-18T15:10:21.417" />
  <row Id="559" PostId="346" Score="1" Text="+1 This was so worth my last vote of the day" CreationDate="2010-01-18T15:12:32.193" />
  <row Id="560" PostId="349" Score="3" Text="yes, this was shog9's very idea. A good one too! Note that this *only* applies to new-ish users when viewing questions they own. I think the threshold is 200 rep." CreationDate="2010-02-02T17:22:59.600" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="561" PostId="349" Text="Now that I know the reason behind this, I have to agree. If I weren't an older user who is easily confused, the comment boxes would have been a nice help." CreationDate="2010-02-02T17:26:21.293" />
  <row Id="562" PostId="351" Score="2" Text="I was bored ... so i did it " CreationDate="2010-02-09T04:09:41.530" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="563" PostId="353" Text="@yan: I put a link to the ServerFault user I think you are. I could be wrong, though, so please let me know if I am and I will gladly remove it. (Or you can by clicking the &quot;edit&quot; link.)" CreationDate="2010-02-12T00:03:51.870" />
  <row Id="564" PostId="353" Text="Everyone else: This is @yan's correct (note matching gravatar) SF profile: http://serverfault.com/users/34571/yan-bellavance" CreationDate="2010-02-12T00:05:06.737" />
  <row Id="565" PostId="358" Score="1" Text="I undeleted the question on SO, added a link to your SF question, then closed as NPR to prevent it from getting migrated again.  Sorry I didn't see this sooner." CreationDate="2010-02-27T15:31:00.310" />
  <row Id="566" PostId="360" Text="1 - The Server Fault question now has active replies, so this is probably no longer suitable for deletion&#xA;&#xA;2 - That is part of the problem - the system does not allow me to view (and hence undelete) it. [Original URL](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2289518/dns-server-ms-returns-nxdomain-original-returns-noerror) &#xA;&#xA;3 - Depends on 2" CreationDate="2010-02-19T12:39:33.570" />
  <row Id="567" PostId="360" Text="Flag this question here for mod attention, point them to your original question, do steps 2 &amp; 3. Be sure to give the mods the link to your old deleted question. I'd undelete it myself, but I don't have 10K rep and thus can't see it either. :)" CreationDate="2010-02-19T15:16:18.867" />
  <row Id="568" PostId="361" Score="1" Text="this should be tagged sffaq and be a community wiki entry" CreationDate="2009-06-11T13:52:11.843" />
  <row Id="569" PostId="361" Text="Duplicate - http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/21043/auto-accept-unaccepted-but-correctly-answered-questions-after-some-time" CreationDate="2010-02-19T12:09:31.970" />
  <row Id="570" PostId="363" Score="2" Text="You may want to edit the question, or add comments to 'bump' your question up to active and get some fresh eyes on the question.  In any case, the discussion there may help someone in the future." CreationDate="2009-06-11T16:50:52.827" />
  <row Id="571" PostId="363" Text="This is what the bounty system is for." CreationDate="2009-06-11T17:38:53.790" />
  <row Id="572" PostId="364" Text="True, but the value of a question &amp; answer after a few weeks is more for the community (and Google) than the original poster." CreationDate="2009-06-11T16:17:50.507" />
  <row Id="573" PostId="364" Text="@DLux, the value to the community/google is not changed at all by having an answer marked as accepted." CreationDate="2009-06-11T17:59:32.733" />
  <row Id="574" PostId="365" Text="You mean that they do get *accepted* automatically." CreationDate="2009-06-11T14:39:18.160" />
  <row Id="575" PostId="365" Text="Ooh, yes.  Thanks for the catch!  Editing to correct that." CreationDate="2009-06-11T15:05:45.800" />
  <row Id="576" PostId="365" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, it seems that more of those bounty questions are the type that don't have a real &quot;answer&quot; but a &quot;more or less accepted opinion&quot;... but that's a rant for another day." CreationDate="2009-06-11T15:34:08.503" />
  <row Id="577" PostId="366" Score="2" Text="Feature requests go to uservoice: http://serverfault.uservoice.com/ (the &quot;feedback always welcome&quot; link at the bottom of every page)" CreationDate="2009-06-11T14:47:51.390" />
  <row Id="578" PostId="366" Text="Thanks!  I never scrolled down that far to see it." CreationDate="2009-06-11T14:52:52.953" />
  <row Id="579" PostId="367" Score="3" Text="This should be edited as a community wiki" CreationDate="2009-06-07T20:04:16.160" />
  <row Id="580" PostId="367" Text="From the FAQ:  &quot;Please note that Server Fault is not for general computer troubleshooting questions&quot;.  Only your first example is a good fit.  (This may belong on uservoice, let the votes decide)" CreationDate="2009-06-07T21:42:24.463" />
  <row Id="581" PostId="367" Text="community wikified" CreationDate="2009-06-07T22:02:59.650" />
  <row Id="582" PostId="369" Text="&quot;Until *you* ask it!&quot;, &quot;Except for Billy's&quot;, etc. Seriusly, I guess those are questions that should be un superuser." CreationDate="2009-06-07T22:46:14.493" />
  <row Id="583" PostId="369" Score="2" Text="I paid my own money for all my servers, because I'm the business owner. Every rule has its exceptions." CreationDate="2009-06-07T22:53:38.720" />
  <row Id="584" PostId="369" Text="Yes, there will always be exceptions. Rules are meant to be broken, they should get the general concept across then the community has the tools to manage the response to the breaking of the rule." CreationDate="2009-06-08T05:58:21.460" />
  <row Id="585" PostId="369" Text="It sounds like a big difference from StackOverflow is that there I will always post questions first, because I want SO to be the definitive source and not random sites on Google. Here, I think I need to exhaust all search options and tech support first and then ask. Maybe I'll post a question or two and see how people react to them." CreationDate="2009-06-08T13:49:42.673" />
  <row Id="586" PostId="369" Score="1" Text="Personally I believe ServerFault should be the definitve source, there are far too many sites that come up in google search results with promising results then seemingly hold the answer to ransom." CreationDate="2009-06-08T14:28:08.103" />
  <row Id="587" PostId="373" Text="dupe: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/39613/legitimate-ways-for-users-to-protest-irrelevant-sponsorship-of-tags" CreationDate="2010-02-22T19:23:59.277" />
  <row Id="588" PostId="377" Score="1" Text="Ah. Yep that's it = )" CreationDate="2010-02-26T15:58:11.303" />
  <row Id="589" PostId="378" Score="1" Text="Wow, more incentive than ever before to get over that 200 mark!" CreationDate="2010-02-27T23:08:05.103" />
  <row Id="590" PostId="380" Text="I wonder if anyone has considered emailing/calling Jeff/Joel with some sysadmin related questions." CreationDate="2010-03-06T00:18:00.480" />
  <row Id="591" PostId="381" Text="Very good point, I'd forgotten all about that one." CreationDate="2010-03-05T13:36:42.597" />
  <row Id="592" PostId="384" Text="I'd go change them, but my SF rep is too low." CreationDate="2010-03-09T18:46:07.550" />
  <row Id="593" PostId="385" Text="That was my feeling." CreationDate="2010-03-09T18:58:28.853" />
  <row Id="594" PostId="386" Text="I do agree but for the time being every one of the registrar tags that exists is regarding a web domain so retagging now would be appropriate. If at a later date the registrar tag is needed for some other purpose it can be recreated." CreationDate="2010-03-10T13:38:58.410" />
  <row Id="595" PostId="387" Score="1" Text="possible duplicate of [Allow bounty to be set with reputation from another site?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/7193/allow-bounty-to-be-set-with-reputation-from-another-site)" CreationDate="2010-06-15T04:23:22.683" />
  <row Id="596" PostId="388" Text="@Kop ...there is also the second part of my suggestion. Besides, it is like open source, you can get everything for free, but also some payed support, is it not in spirit?" CreationDate="2010-03-14T19:22:29.183" />
  <row Id="597" PostId="388" Text="It's spelled `paid`; and no it's not the same as &quot;open source&quot;. I answered to the second part of your suggestion with &quot;It adds complexity for something that I don't believe is necessary&quot;" CreationDate="2010-03-14T19:45:22.223" />
  <row Id="598" PostId="390" Score="3" Text="I totally disagree with this notion. Bounties can be a great way to gain exposure for a question, and an incentive to take a deeper look into an issue - not primarily for the stupid *points*, but because the asker is ready to *give up something*. I frequently ask bounty questions when a good answer would help me massively in my daily work, or when I want to get as many views and opinions as possible on a question. The fact that they are used by some who are unwilling to accept the reality that their question is not answerable in a way they find satisfying does not devalue bounties as such. " CreationDate="2010-03-14T19:49:19.833" />
  <row Id="599" PostId="390" Text="@Pekka obviously, our mileages have varied. The few times I've offered a bounty, nothing happened." CreationDate="2010-03-14T23:54:17.103" />
  <row Id="600" PostId="391" Text="What browser?  It works fine for me on the most recent chrome." CreationDate="2010-03-14T23:17:07.810" />
  <row Id="601" PostId="391" Text="Thanks. Forgot to include browser version, updated, it's FF 3.5.7" CreationDate="2010-03-14T23:17:30.290" />
  <row Id="602" PostId="391" Text="Same problem with Firefox 3.6" CreationDate="2010-07-02T08:22:49.723" />
  <row Id="603" PostId="393" Text="It's not a bug. People were abusing the `kbd` style so it was removed (only from Meta)." CreationDate="2010-03-14T23:41:20.070" />
  <row Id="604" PostId="393" Score="1" Text="I just found it. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/1939/kbd-elements-are-way-intrusive that sucks." CreationDate="2010-03-14T23:42:22.877" />
  <row Id="605" PostId="393" Score="5" Text="I wouldn't call that abuse, I would call that normal Meta behaviour and totally acceptable. What a stupid decision to remove this tag. " CreationDate="2010-03-14T23:48:03.500" />
  <row Id="606" PostId="393" Text="Interesting. That fixed it, of course, but I can't see any visible difference in either version of the files..." CreationDate="2010-03-15T00:32:02.750" />
  <row Id="607" PostId="393" Text="@Pekka: They were too much &quot;fun&quot;..." CreationDate="2010-03-15T09:21:39.680" />
  <row Id="608" PostId="393" Text="Ctrl+F5 does help, but that's not how it should be done. If you change the javascript file that is expected to be cached in browsers, you should rename the JS file. But it's ok, I guess stackoverflow team is still learning how to do stuff." CreationDate="2010-07-02T08:27:05.807" />
  <row Id="609" PostId="397" Text="and yes, this should really be posted as a separate bug... blame laziness on my part.  i'll get 'round tuit later.  :)" CreationDate="2010-03-15T17:14:07.483" />
  <row Id="610" PostId="397" Text="If the close votes page shows 6 close votes it means that the questions got closed (5 votes), then reopened, and than received one more close vote. The question itself would display just the one close vote it received after being reopened. (All modulo the selected time frame)" CreationDate="2010-03-16T02:09:44.967" />
  <row Id="611" PostId="397" Text="@sth - yeah, i haven't seen that case yet, but that's what i'd expect.  maybe it makes sense on SO, where a question might be closed &amp; reopened several times.  it just seems weird on SU, where a question might get closed but reopens are almost always a mod's doing.  i don't think many reopened questions on SU collect additional close votes." CreationDate="2010-03-16T02:44:23.717" />
  <row Id="612" PostId="399" Text="I know the implications of the SOFU license - if they were pointing back here (or even just mentioning the source) I wouldn't even have mentioned it here. The point I'm making is that there is no attribution - they lift the answers verbatim and claim them as their own." CreationDate="2010-03-21T01:02:56.713" />
  <row Id="613" PostId="399" Score="5" Text="In that case we should be hanging them by the yardarm. Or rather, reprimanded/penalty boxed/banned for breaking the SOFU licence." CreationDate="2010-03-21T01:12:32.420" />
  <row Id="614" PostId="399" Score="1" Text="@Ether: But I would only consider banning from SOFU (which would be justified by license violations) after talking to both them and the VMware moderators.  (Not that I get any say in it.)" CreationDate="2010-03-21T01:26:35.580" />
  <row Id="615" PostId="399" Text="@Helvick I've updated my answer to reflect your comment." CreationDate="2010-03-21T03:06:56.797" />
  <row Id="616" PostId="399" Text="@waiwai933 - My web-fu is obviously weak today, I couldn't find the Communities terms of service. " CreationDate="2010-03-21T23:21:47.527" />
  <row Id="617" PostId="400" Score="1" Text="It's not me Brad." CreationDate="2010-03-27T21:10:11.340" />
  <row Id="618" PostId="401" Score="1" Text="@john: thanks for getting involved." CreationDate="2010-03-30T02:19:48.837" />
  <row Id="619" PostId="401" Text="I have found at least a dozen other recent instances within the last 2 weeks. All are copies of VMware Communities threads, posted from unregistered SF users with usernames identical to the original questions. No doubt there is some rationalization going on. How would you like to clean up on your side? " CreationDate="2010-03-30T04:19:25.163" />
  <row Id="620" PostId="401" Text="@john - if anything has been posted to SF in violation of license, then I would suggest either listing them here, or using the &quot;flag =&gt; requires moderator attention&quot; button on SF, and I suspect it'll get removed. My ♦ doesn't apply on SF, so I can't do it *myself*, but I'm sure someone will be along promptly." CreationDate="2010-03-30T06:49:29.170" />
  <row Id="621" PostId="401" Text="@john: thanks for asking; as @Marc: says, I'm sure someone will get that done if you will post the links; I, personally, have no powers over on SF, so can't help you." CreationDate="2010-03-30T13:39:37.267" />
  <row Id="622" PostId="401" Text="John, if you comment back with the post numbers I'll have them removed thank you." CreationDate="2010-03-31T20:30:07.730" />
  <row Id="623" PostId="402" Score="1" Text="Thanks for getting involved!" CreationDate="2010-04-01T22:07:58.760" />
  <row Id="624" PostId="403" Score="2" Text="Might these consequences include permanent pink unicorn avatars?" CreationDate="2010-04-02T06:49:42.387" />
  <row Id="625" PostId="403" Score="4" Text="Permanent unicorn avatars? That would just encourage them." CreationDate="2010-04-02T07:34:58.907" />
  <row Id="626" PostId="404" Text="@downvoter, comment please? " CreationDate="2010-04-02T07:01:23.733" />
  <row Id="627" PostId="406" Text="I'll leave the thread, unless anyone else wants to close it, as it's a valid answer, and I don't want to seem vindictive. I'm glad the OP was able to work out how to solve his problem, to me that shows that things work as they should. " CreationDate="2010-03-24T22:23:10.750" />
  <row Id="628" PostId="406" Text="Yeah, that guy was an ass. I'm glad he's not at my company." CreationDate="2010-03-24T23:13:42.050" />
  <row Id="629" PostId="408" Score="1" Text="is there any ambiguity in any of the [exchange] tags or are they all about the MS product?  if there's any possible ambiguity i'd go with the more specific [exchange-server] or even [ms-exchange] (this is what SU does with the ambiguous [access], for example)." CreationDate="2010-03-25T11:12:09.597" />
  <row Id="630" PostId="408" Text="So far they all seem to be about MS Exchange" CreationDate="2010-03-25T11:32:16.590" />
  <row Id="631" PostId="409" Text="Thanks Sam! Sorry, I didn't see this post until now. Feel free to contact me (just flag a question) for other tag-related jobs." CreationDate="2010-03-30T08:14:25.187" />
  <row Id="632" PostId="409" Text="@splattne no problem, there weren't many tags so I figured I may as well do it myself" CreationDate="2010-03-30T08:27:53.860" />
  <row Id="633" PostId="410" Score="3" Text="I think that would save a lot of people a lot of time, if written agreeably." CreationDate="2010-04-05T10:32:57.820" />
  <row Id="634" PostId="410" Score="1" Text="See also [Is it poor etiquette to answer your own question?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/17463/is-it-poor-etiquette-to-answer-your-own-question) and [Moving a personal technical blog to stackoverflow / serverfault](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2706/moving-a-personal-technical-blog-to-stackoverflow-serverfault)" CreationDate="2010-04-05T12:19:23.197" />
  <row Id="635" PostId="410" Text="I've definitely done things like this.  It also helps when other people in your company can Google the issue and get a good answer. " CreationDate="2010-04-05T12:23:24.217" />
  <row Id="636" PostId="410" Text="FWIW: I wouldn't make it CW" CreationDate="2010-04-05T20:05:54.180" />
  <row Id="637" PostId="411" Score="1" Text="Cheers @ivo, done: http://serverfault.com/questions/129351/how-to-dump-multiple-subversion-repositories-at-once-on-various-systems I posted my answer straight away but there may be more elegant solutions, in which case I'll happily delete mine." CreationDate="2010-04-05T10:40:30.637" />
  <row Id="638" PostId="411" Text="+1. I agree. it's in accordance with the &quot;wiki&quot; character of the trilogy." CreationDate="2010-04-05T12:02:32.317" />
  <row Id="639" PostId="411" Score="3" Text="@Pekka don't delete it. Just accept the one that worked better instead and then comment on your own answer that something else worked better because of x, y, and z.  Someone else may one day consider the same technique, in which case the keywords in your post will likely be a better google match, thus making it easier for them to find the better solution." CreationDate="2010-04-05T13:46:46.673" />
  <row Id="640" PostId="411" Text="I would say, as long as you indicate that you're providing an answer in accordance with the FAQ, you could go ahead and answer right away.  You do risk people who &quot;don't get it&quot; giving you a downvote, but you're interested in archiving the answer, not getting rep anyway.  Explaining what you are doing might help with the erroneous downvotes though." CreationDate="2010-04-05T14:36:42.913" />
  <row Id="641" PostId="411" Text="True, I could have made a difference between answering and accepting your own answer" CreationDate="2010-04-05T15:02:04.473" />
  <row Id="642" PostId="413" Text="Cheers @squillman. Makes sense." CreationDate="2010-04-07T20:42:04.753" />
  <row Id="643" PostId="413" Text="hooray for linking comments.  thanks @Pekka for bringing it up, and squillman and kara for pointing out the SU dupe." CreationDate="2010-04-07T21:31:09.223" />
  <row Id="644" PostId="414" Text="See http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms and http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/19018/implement-a-tag-black-list" CreationDate="2010-04-10T16:19:33.513" />
  <row Id="645" PostId="414" Text="Yes the tag block list is closest." CreationDate="2010-04-11T04:22:39.990" />
  <row Id="646" PostId="421" Score="1" Text="I'm pretty sure you meant to link to http://5z8.info/pornnow_n7h2v_meinkampf.pdf rather than shadyurl..." CreationDate="2010-04-14T03:36:33.470" />
  <row Id="647" PostId="422" Text="Somewhat related http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/43828/su-retag-request-wireless-network-wireless-networking .  I thought quack brought up a good point, but he ended up making the change." CreationDate="2010-04-16T17:21:30.090" />
  <row Id="648" PostId="422" Text="Please do another merge, and add a tag synonym for this: `[network]` is already back up to 59 questions." CreationDate="2010-07-16T02:27:32.517" />
  <row Id="649" PostId="422" Text="@Jon Seigel:  This time I got to do it for myself :-)" CreationDate="2010-07-16T18:01:36.217" />
  <row Id="650" PostId="422" Text="Thanks... but... please add a synonym. Someone has *already* asked a new question with `[network]` on it." CreationDate="2010-07-16T22:20:50.243" />
  <row Id="651" PostId="422" Text="@Jon Seigel: Ah did not know that feature had been added.  I created the requested synonym." CreationDate="2010-07-16T22:51:53.943" />
  <row Id="652" PostId="422" Text="Excellent. Thanks. FYI: when you add a synonym, currently all questions with the source tag aren't retagged automatically." CreationDate="2010-07-16T23:06:03.157" />
  <row Id="653" PostId="424" Text="Thank you sir :-)" CreationDate="2010-04-26T13:56:16.100" />
  <row Id="654" PostId="425" Text="I know I have seen better examples of this too.  Stuff that gets moved to serverfault that is about someone trying to set up something in their house." CreationDate="2010-04-30T13:32:14.940" />
  <row Id="655" PostId="425" Text="@Kyle: I'm changing this to CW, so that you can add other examples that might support this question to it." CreationDate="2010-04-30T13:35:33.663" />
  <row Id="656" PostId="425" Text="Ya, I couldn't think of any though :-) I just know I have seen them." CreationDate="2010-04-30T17:46:29.847" />
  <row Id="657" PostId="426" Score="4" Text="Right, but I guess SO folk are going &quot;well, you've got to have root access to worry about filesystem consistency, so we've got a question to do with admin privileges&quot;.  It's not what the IT department means by system administration, but..." CreationDate="2010-04-28T13:06:37.673" />
  <row Id="658" PostId="428" Score="2" Text="Do you think this might be a legitimate request? The only way I can see to contact you by e-mail is through a link on your website, or by reversing your e-mail hash (which I haven't done, obviously). Meaning, this cannot possibly be *bulk* spam, and therefore isn't a system problem." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:08:38.810" />
  <row Id="659" PostId="428" Text="The email arrived at my Gmail address (which I don't use for correspondence or list as a typical contact address, although you can find it if you look for it), which increased the &quot;smell&quot; factor of the message for me. I'm also not a huge contributor, which makes it odd that I'd be singled out for contact." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:12:45.503" />
  <row Id="660" PostId="428" Text="@esm: Is that GMail address the one you have listed on Server Fault?  I only ask because I notice that it's not the one you have in your contact info here on meta." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:15:39.343" />
  <row Id="661" PostId="428" Score="2" Text="Well, you do have *three* e-mail addresses on your website's contact page, including a Gmail address. Essentially, someone had to look up your e-mail address manually. If anything, that *reduces* the smell factor, IMO. BTW, I have been contacted this way twice, and both times it was legit." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:18:12.977" />
  <row Id="662" PostId="428" Score="2" Text="I got one too. My email address is in my profile, though, so there's no mystery where they got it. Strange that my Server Fault profile is interesting, as I only have 550 rep and a handful of questions and answers." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:36:59.087" />
  <row Id="663" PostId="428" Text="For the record, I only have one email address listed; the other two are instant messaging usernames, and I'd expect a representative of a technical community (Cydeck) to appreciate the difference. The form-letter nature was off-putting and set off my targeted-spam alarm, but I can accept that I might be in the minority on that opinion.&#xA;&#xA;@Bill, same email address in both places, neither of them gmail (although I use google as an alt. openid provider)." CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:38:32.590" />
  <row Id="664" PostId="428" Text="I got one with the first two (but not third) occurrence of `Serverfault` replaced by `Stackoverflow`." CreationDate="2010-05-04T22:11:09.187" />
  <row Id="665" PostId="428" Score="1" Text="I just got on as well for StackOverflow" CreationDate="2010-05-06T15:26:50.477" />
  <row Id="666" PostId="429" Text="From the discussion above, it's starting to look like they grabbed an address that looked like an email address from my own website (ie. not from severfault directly, but from a public source). So I suppose the question ought to be: is this tacky? ;)" CreationDate="2010-05-03T17:44:00.157" />
  <row Id="667" PostId="429" Score="3" Text="Sure, it might be tacky; but if you don't want people to contact you, don't have your contact information on the internet... Otherwise they'd have to read your mind to determine whether or not you want them to contact you (:-))." CreationDate="2010-05-03T18:12:32.467" />
  <row Id="668" PostId="429" Text="Is the email address available in the data dump? If so, this provides a very simple mechanism to contact everyone on the site (who lists an address)." CreationDate="2010-05-03T18:27:59.477" />
  <row Id="669" PostId="429" Text="@Ether: no, it's not." CreationDate="2010-05-03T18:29:03.793" />
  <row Id="670" PostId="429" Text="@Ether: No, but the MD5 hash of the e-mail address is in the data dump. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/35222/include-email-address-hash-in-the-data-dump-files" CreationDate="2010-05-03T19:14:27.983" />
  <row Id="671" PostId="430" Score="1" Text="Flag, flag, flag. (I have done so; I can't see edit history on SF.)" CreationDate="2010-05-14T15:52:43.477" />
  <row Id="672" PostId="430" Text="Ya I flagged them.  Wasn't sure if this maybe should go on meta as well though." CreationDate="2010-05-14T15:53:37.490" />
  <row Id="673" PostId="430" Text="It appears to be isolated to that one question, but it doesn't hurt to post here in case the problem gets worse." CreationDate="2010-05-14T15:58:28.170" />
  <row Id="674" PostId="431" Score="1" Text="Here is where I wish I had 10K+ rep... then I could see the posts." CreationDate="2010-05-15T03:41:15.597" />
  <row Id="675" PostId="432" Text="The weirdest thing is that serverfault.com &quot;half&quot; knows who I am... see it's using my picture from stackoverflow.com but I haven't logged into serverfault.com yet!" CreationDate="2010-05-22T16:08:43.383" />
  <row Id="676" PostId="432" Score="2" Text="This question should be on meta - so you've got another site to go to :-)." CreationDate="2010-05-22T17:10:33.053" />
  <row Id="677" PostId="432" Text="See also [New Automatic Account Association](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/05/new-automatic-account-association/)." CreationDate="2010-05-22T19:14:30.437" />
  <row Id="678" PostId="434" Text="Some examples please? And: upvoting bad posts, or upvoting a lot of good posts?" CreationDate="2010-05-23T14:58:08.383" />
  <row Id="679" PostId="434" Score="1" Text="(See also [Vote Fraud and You](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2008/12/vote-fraud-and-you/).)" CreationDate="2010-05-23T14:59:54.663" />
  <row Id="680" PostId="434" Text="That's an informative reference Arjan, thanks.  Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to address this current issue.  I've also edited to provide more details." CreationDate="2010-05-23T15:09:51.170" />
  <row Id="681" PostId="434" Score="6" Text="It's widely held to be a symptom of the Electorate badge.  There was a question/topic here about it, but I can't find it.  Some people even admitted that at the end of the day they use up all their leftover votes by opening up and upvoting random questions with +1 or more.  I hate that badge." CreationDate="2010-05-23T15:23:57.070" />
  <row Id="682" PostId="434" Text="That thought crossed my mind as well.  It sounds like there's no moderator remedy, which is unfortunate.  It's increasing the noise ratio.  Ironically, I'm 52 votes from it but legitimately." CreationDate="2010-05-23T15:27:12.500" />
  <row Id="683" PostId="434" Score="1" Text="@Aarobot, could that be [Is the Electorate Badge Working?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/37203/is-the-electorate-badge-working)? (The [quote](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/37203/is-the-electorate-badge-working/37206#37206) *I now go to Stack Overflow daily and expend my entire vote amount on questions. I don't vote on answers any more.* was not serious, if I understand correctly.)" CreationDate="2010-05-23T16:42:16.627" />
  <row Id="684" PostId="434" Text="@Arjan: That might have been it.  The question itself is about something slightly different but the answers do get into a lot of what I mentioned." CreationDate="2010-05-23T17:26:29.337" />
  <row Id="685" PostId="434" Score="4" Text="Keep in mind, you shouldn't be downvoting unless the questions legitimately deserve downvotes. Just because someone upvoted them unreasonably, doesn't mean you should downvote them unreasonably." CreationDate="2010-05-23T17:58:09.507" />
  <row Id="686" PostId="434" Score="1" Text="They don't deserve &gt; 0.  &gt;0 indicates better than the average." CreationDate="2010-05-23T19:42:23.217" />
  <row Id="687" PostId="434" Text="@Warner: one of the classic problems with question voting. Is the question before you 'what score does this question deserve?' or 'do I like it enough to add +1?'" CreationDate="2010-05-23T21:46:24.903" />
  <row Id="688" PostId="434" Text="I wouldn't say this is a &quot;classic problem&quot; as much as it's a flaw that should be addressed.  Thankfully, the person doing it appears to have stopped.  However, earlier today nearly every question was voted at least +1." CreationDate="2010-05-23T22:13:52.583" />
  <row Id="689" PostId="436" Text="It's about 300 questions less for SF, that's about 4 days worth of questions.  So the question count I'm seeing when I'm logged out might have been cached from 6 days ago?  That is aggressive." CreationDate="2010-06-07T07:31:32.687" />
  <row Id="690" PostId="437" Score="1" Text="Heh heh... Yeah-- my Stack Overflow flair is rather, well, embarassing. My Server Fault flair, OTOH..." CreationDate="2010-07-03T03:47:08.937" />
  <row Id="691" PostId="439" Score="1" Text="Wasn't the impression that I got." CreationDate="2010-06-17T13:43:03.113" />
  <row Id="692" PostId="439" Text="@squillman check out my edit to my answer" CreationDate="2010-06-17T13:43:58.673" />
  <row Id="693" PostId="439" Score="1" Text="Still is reasonable to assume that &quot;a blog specific to Serverfault&quot; will have non-intersecting sets of users." CreationDate="2010-06-17T13:49:55.083" />
  <row Id="694" PostId="441" Text="Excellent, that makes this a double retag request..." CreationDate="2010-06-22T06:15:59.420" />
  <row Id="695" PostId="442" Text="Please consider adding tag synonyms for these. There are already 2 questions with `[esxi]` again." CreationDate="2010-07-16T02:12:05.963" />
  <row Id="696" PostId="442" Text="Okay, done. Thanks for the suggestion." CreationDate="2010-07-17T10:43:11.533" />
  <row Id="697" PostId="445" Score="2" Text="I agree. The separation between the two blogs seems pointless to me" CreationDate="2010-06-22T21:50:33.647" />
  <row Id="698" PostId="445" Score="1" Text="Unless each site gets one ;-) I'm sure they could find enough users willing to send in some blog posts for each separate site focused on that area. Then the separation does make sense" CreationDate="2010-06-23T06:28:59.667" />
  <row Id="699" PostId="448" Score="1" Text="You say there's no confusion with the current tag, which is true - but probably because everyone has gone with the suggested backupexc. I know I've gone to add a backup exec tag before, and just used backupexec because that's what it suggested, even though I disagree. If the system suggested backup-exec, that's what I'd use." CreationDate="2010-06-26T23:01:16.443" />
  <row Id="700" PostId="448" Score="1" Text="I agree with this. The goal of tags is categorization, and if there's no confusion between tags, then we should let it slide until [tag synonyms](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms) are implemented -- at that point, we can display whatever we want, even if the users input the old tag. @Ben" CreationDate="2010-06-27T17:01:37.990" />
  <row Id="701" PostId="448" Text="As @Ben said, we tend to follow rather than create a new tag, but that doesn't mean it is the best way of doing it. If things can be improved, why not do it?" CreationDate="2010-06-28T11:03:05.630" />
  <row Id="702" PostId="449" Score="21" Text="ServerFault (and the other associated sites) are not discussions boards. So yes, if you want to have true discussions, feel free to take them elsewhere. On the other hand, if you want to ask well-articulated questions, then this is perhaps the best place on the interwebs to do so." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:34:24.777" />
  <row Id="703" PostId="449" Score="1" Text="Questions are closed by people who have been using the site long enough to know what types of questions fit well in the intended Q&amp;A format.  Perhaps this is a bit biased, but it is biased towards keeping the site from becoming Yahoo answers." CreationDate="2010-06-28T16:38:11.327" />
  <row Id="704" PostId="451" Text="That wasn't my question. My question was in regard to mechanical automation, which is a valid question." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:46:35.767" />
  <row Id="705" PostId="451" Score="4" Text="Yes, it's most certainly a valid question. As others have mentioned, those type of questions are not what these sites are about." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:54:20.537" />
  <row Id="706" PostId="452" Text="I don't feel the need to. Perhaps this is not the right forum for thought that involves innovative thought, but is more of a support forum, is that accurate?" CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:48:02.163" />
  <row Id="707" PostId="452" Score="11" Text="@msacks We're not a forum. We're a question-and-answer site. People ask questions, they get solid answers. These can involve innovative  and well-articulated thoughts, but those thoughts do not require discussion. And judging by what everyone else is saying about your question, it was leaning more towards the open-ended discussion route rather than a question with an answer." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:50:30.463" />
  <row Id="708" PostId="452" Score="1" Text="It's a peer-to-peer Q&amp;A forum. If you spend some time here, you'll certainly see that there is a great deal of innovative thought that goes on. In this case, though, that innovative thought is directed at solving concrete, real-world problems, not so much on theoretical questions." CreationDate="2010-06-28T14:51:47.867" />
  <row Id="709" PostId="453" Score="4" Text="I'd rather see each site have their own blog..." CreationDate="2010-06-29T11:37:36.727" />
  <row Id="710" PostId="454" Score="2" Text="Congratulations on your new position!" CreationDate="2010-06-29T18:15:22.423" />
  <row Id="711" PostId="454" Score="3" Text="The ♦ surprised me because I read the SO blog this morning and didn't recall anything about new admins. I see it's been posted since then. Congratulations!" CreationDate="2010-06-29T18:18:12.610" />
  <row Id="712" PostId="456" Text="I was always curious about that. VS2008 UI just wonked out on me on our production server and I thought I'd ask a question, but I imagined that the question would better be asked on Super User (since it seems like a software thing, or summat like that, rather than a code thing)." CreationDate="2010-07-02T17:03:31.803" />
  <row Id="713" PostId="456" Text="The question was not about &quot;touching php.ini&quot;. It was about setting up the web server so that multiple php.ini servers could be used. Apache is, in this context, a programmer's tool. I concede, however, it's not exactly the same as Visual Studio, as it's used both in development and production (yet I could use Apache with several virtual hosts for development and then have the websites it in production running in IIS with only one php.ini)." CreationDate="2010-07-02T17:13:11.127" />
  <row Id="714" PostId="459" Score="3" Text="Also? Woot on our very own meta." CreationDate="2010-07-22T21:49:26.913" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="716" PostId="460" Score="1" Text="I also put a proposal down for a tag synonym [ssi] =&gt; [server-side-includes]" CreationDate="2010-07-22T22:01:52.697" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="717" PostId="460" Text="Thanks for the best-practices guide!" CreationDate="2010-07-22T22:22:15.737" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="718" PostId="459" Score="1" Text="My very first question on the original Meta was for this. Nice to see it's finally come to fruition!" CreationDate="2010-07-22T22:38:56.237" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="719" PostId="463" Text="There can be only one...  Bah, screw that.  We got our own now!" CreationDate="2010-07-23T01:00:43.533" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="720" PostId="463" Score="1" Text="@squillman ... completely tongue in cheek ... I say we have a party and kill all the ponies and unicorns :)" CreationDate="2010-07-23T01:03:52.013" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="721" PostId="463" Text="Hahaha :)  I don't know, Evan hung onto his pony for quite a while after April 1!  Re: tongue in cheek: I was with you.  Was playin' off of Highlander in the comment!" CreationDate="2010-07-23T03:19:15.163" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="722" PostId="464" Text="Ack. I can't read it either." CreationDate="2010-07-23T06:20:19.743" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="723" PostId="464" Score="1" Text="+1  Also, I've always had trouble with the color for links on SF.  I almost miss them unless hit with onMouseOver.  Even worse when they're nested inside a &lt;PRE&gt;." CreationDate="2010-07-23T10:41:22.550" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="724" PostId="466" Text="I totally agree in regards to relocating the post, which as you can see has 0 votes to relocate.  I did not vote to relocate either.  I am more concerned about the perception in regards to catering to beginners, as that is not something the site is for in my mind.  Referencing the appropriate documentation in part of the answer is something any *professional* should be able to comprehend." CreationDate="2010-07-23T17:25:29.193" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="725" PostId="466" Text="@Warner: I think I see what you are talking about now. I edited the top answer to what I think is ideal." CreationDate="2010-07-23T17:37:41.323" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="726" PostId="466" Score="2" Text="@Warner: Despite the *mumblety-something* years I've been doing this, every day I'm a rank beginner at *some new thing*. Otherwise, it's no fun. Regarding documentation: Man pages are like child's-play for me (except for `rsync` ;-) ). For others they are a wall of disorganized gibberish. I find Python documentation to be very well done, but a bit overly formal. Now I'm dabbling a bit in Ruby. Its documentation is organized in an entirely different manner. I'm struggling a bit to find what I'm looking for, but I'm good at parsing docs. Not everyone is. " CreationDate="2010-07-23T17:50:58.757" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="727" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="Perhaps we should have a series of questions regarding comprehending documentation (not &quot;understanding&quot; it, rather &quot;using it comprehensively&quot; if that makes any sense). More generally, regarding the role of SF, I certainly see it as a site for professional problem solving, but I very strongly think that it can serve as a source of education as well." CreationDate="2010-07-23T17:57:04.860" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="728" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="Should probably bring this up on the Uber-Meta (MetaSO) as well since it's a general child-meta-site issue." CreationDate="2010-07-24T02:13:41.427" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="730" PostId="475" Text="@Ward: Are you referring to http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/7931?" CreationDate="2010-07-24T09:53:31.800" UserId="5144" />
  <row Id="731" PostId="473" Text="Regarding the 80 vs 8080 question ... what editing the question to be something like &quot;What are the common use cases of using port 8080 instead of 80?&quot;.  I have been thinking the editing of bad questions to something better that would still likely have the answer the person wants might vastly help this problem. What you all think of trying this out for a while? (those of us with enough rep and patience/time :-) )" CreationDate="2010-07-24T13:14:10.360" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="732" PostId="474" Text="@Ward: See my comment above regarding the first question you posted... An edit of the question might have improved it a lot..." CreationDate="2010-07-24T13:16:08.747" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="733" PostId="473" Text="&quot;There's a whole Internet full of more appropriate sites.&quot; - like the Wikipedia reference desk! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk " CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:05:00.503" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="734" PostId="474" Text="There's a few of those sort of questions going around at the moment. Is &quot;have you tried reading a book on &lt;topic&gt;&quot; an acceptable answer for some of the &quot;basic&quot; stuff?" CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:06:29.860" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="735" PostId="466" Text="@Dennis try `man mdadm` some time ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:11:56.227" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="736" PostId="474" Text="@Andrew: I don't think it really is an acceptable answer -- it feels like RTF(antastic)M to me.  I however do think answering their question followed by a specific book recommendation or recommendations is. Struggling to articulate what makes those two approaches so fundamentally different at this moment ... but does that make sense?" CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:15:53.613" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="737" PostId="470" Score="1" Text="I also think although the question is basic sometimes it is also *fundamental*.  Re-articulating something fundamental in a deep way (going into it implications) can result in better answers than maybe the first google hits already out there. It also can help the person who answers the question to always review and revisit the fundamentals." CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:19:31.810" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="738" PostId="474" Text="@Kyle I think so - as John Gardeniers said http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/465/perception-of-purpose/473#473, &quot;where it is clear that the poster is NOT an IT professional&quot; gives a perception of &quot;person was too lazy to use a search engine and wants to be spoon fed&quot;. (Still can't get markup to work in comments.) Ok, so difference between &quot;read a book&quot; and &quot;here's the answer, btw. good books are XYZ&quot; is that you'll give the second in answer to a question &quot;I've been trying to work out X&quot;, the first in answer to &quot;what is an X and how does it work&quot;." CreationDate="2010-07-24T14:44:01.220" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="739" PostId="466" Text="@Andrew: It's definitely a thick one, but `rsync` is twice as long and with fewer &quot;signposts&quot;. `man find` is about the same length as `man mdadm`." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:23:47.120" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="741" PostId="466" Score="2" Text="Becoming contentious about reference to documentation is alienating the fundamentals of our very profession.  Reading comprehension is absolutely essential to being successful as an IT professional.  With that in mind, I agree with your point, Kyle, as reference to documentation without in answer is in direct conflict of the purpose of the SE platform.  I try to maintain a healthy balance, as I am unwilling to help those who will not help themselves in the process." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:37:44.163" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="742" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="My point is essentially focused around the perception of the major contributors to SF as well as the specific wording of the FAQ.  As I see it perception, behavior, and policy (the FAQ) do not appear to be well aligned.  This is fundamentally not a beginner site yet we appear to be encouraging beginner behavior." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:39:11.743" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="743" PostId="473" Score="1" Text="While I disagree with your trigger finger on the down-votes, I often agree with your behavior on SF.  =)  I agree with everything you say here.  The weekend is especially bad as well as outside of business hours, where these batches of questions seem to come in mass.  If we do not keep the moderation to point, I seriously believe that the noise will outweigh the signal more quickly on this site than others.  The perceptions of end-users and even developers regarding IT professionals are not well aligned with what we do, which is exampled well in migrations and postings." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:43:18.273" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="744" PostId="474" Text="Maybe you just like networking, Ward.  =)" CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:47:43.210" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="746" PostId="470" Text="&#xA;I wholeheartedly agree and often find value with questions relating the fundamentals that a professional or entry level person is otherwise ignorant about. I found the question regarding twisted pairs particularly interesting. My exception comes with the use of beginner, which I find in conflict with the concept of a professional. Certainly experts and professionals can have less knowledge in a subject matter outside of their professional focus. I maintain that beginner questions have little value for Server Fault, as they easily fall under the Superuser umbrella. Again, I cite the FAQ." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:48:58.713" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="747" PostId="470" Text="One of the defining differences I find between an entry level IT person and someone who is seeking for information in the wrong place is the language.  Is what they're doing within the scope of what we do?  Helpdesk != SF.  Fixing Outlook without it being related to Exchange's operation is simply unrelated, IMO." CreationDate="2010-07-24T17:50:26.013" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="748" PostId="481" Text="@jscott - are you fishing for the Editor badge by any chance :P" CreationDate="2010-07-25T17:50:35.847" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="749" PostId="481" Text="Well that *also*, of course. I couldn't find anything on the right side of the user profile page with a parent link. It's a really slow Sunday here." CreationDate="2010-07-25T18:35:09.690" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="750" PostId="473" Text="@Kyle, your idea has merit, in the case of the 80/8080 question, of the several possible interpretations of the question I don't know which one the OP might have been intending, so an edit might not have the results you are looking for.&#xA;&#xA;@Warner, I tend to be harsh on poor questions even more so than poor answers, as the questions sets the framework. I believe that a downvote should be given as readily as an upvote if it is deserved. That's my view and I'm not asking anyone else to agree with it. On the plus side, I don't think I've ever used more than 5 or 6 votes in total on a single day." CreationDate="2010-07-25T18:37:24.660" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="751" PostId="474" Score="1" Text="@Ward, network certainly is an appropriate subject for SF. The IT professionals for who Server Fault exists would not ask a question such as the one you linked to because it is required knowledge for any of us working in any part of the industry. Little Freddy wanting to network his Xbox and his sister's Mac is not the same thing as a professional trying to work out some tricky VLAN configuration, yet both are networking questions. One is SF material, one is not." CreationDate="2010-07-25T18:53:08.000" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="752" PostId="478" Score="1" Text="Good point. My own voting pattern is affected by not necessarily being able to recognise a good answer because of my own limited knowledge in a particular part of the field. Bad questions and answers tend to be much easier to spot. My own questions have each received very few answers and votes, even when they've carried bounties, which tells me that at least they are not newbie questions. ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-25T19:00:15.550" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="753" PostId="479" Text="I'd be happy just to get an email when a new answer is posted. At this stage I get one once a week - sometimes - even when I've ticked the box." CreationDate="2010-07-25T19:15:43.350" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="754" PostId="440" Text="esx != esxi, etc." CreationDate="2010-07-25T19:26:38.363" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="755" PostId="486" Text="That makes no sense to me. It doesn't matter where you deploy a MySQL server - it's still a server. I'm running a professional grade OS (Windows 7 Professional x64), a commercial-grade server software installation (MySQL Server), in a professional environment (my development machine as opposed to my gaming machine). To me, those are the three characteristics that you need for a question to be appropriate for Server Fault." CreationDate="2010-07-25T21:40:13.007" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="756" PostId="486" Score="2" Text="@Thomas it's not so much 'professional grade OS' as either an actual server OS (on server hardware IMHO) or a desktop OS on **many** machines. What you are actually talking about in that question is installing a piece of software onto a single machine. Also in the linked FAQ right at the beginning &quot;If you are in charge of Servers,Networks, or many desktop PCs&quot;. None of that applies to this question. Like I said it is a borderline question because you happen to be installing a service that is generally run on servers." CreationDate="2010-07-25T21:48:29.993" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="757" PostId="486" Score="1" Text="Well, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get any answers on Super User, which is the biggest problem. What it all comes down to is &quot;where are the people who know the answer&quot;. The people who frequent Super User aren't the kind of people who are running MySQL Servers on their machines. If I had a question about Word, PowerPoint, or my OS (with the exception of server OSes), Super User would be perfect. But if I get a single answer, I'd be extremely surprised." CreationDate="2010-07-25T22:05:58.017" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="758" PostId="486" Score="1" Text="@Thomas I wouldn't be so sure, there are some really good people on there AND they are probably more likely to have installed mysql on win7 x64. " CreationDate="2010-07-25T22:43:20.713" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="759" PostId="486" Text="But the thing is, the target audience (and my guess is most users) of SuperUser is the home PC user who spends most of their time using a web browser, a word processor, email client, and a home-friendly OS. There might be a good number of power users and knowledgeable people. On the other hand, the target audience of ServerFault are people who, for a living, install, configure, and maintain servers, including MySQL Servers, including on developer machines such as my own. At work, if I have a problem with MySQL, I turn to the admin, even if it is on my development machine because he knows best." CreationDate="2010-07-25T22:50:46.117" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="760" PostId="487" Text="There's a difference between &quot;developer support&quot; and &quot;a developer also administrating his/her own system&quot;. At work, I have system administrators to support me. At home, it's just me - I *am* the system administrator and if I have problems, I should be able to turn to other people who act in the system administrator capacity for help, instead of power users." CreationDate="2010-07-25T23:13:21.823" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="761" PostId="487" Text="I'm also writing up an &quot;answer&quot; to that link. Thanks for that." CreationDate="2010-07-25T23:21:10.203" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="762" PostId="489" Score="3" Text="When you say &quot;There are times when I am at home, working on a project, and have an IT or system administration problem - when such a problem arises, I should be able to turn to the experts in the field, who should be found at Server Fault.&quot; Is really not the point of these sites (not just Server Fault). These sites exist for the experts in the field to support other experts in their respective fields.  Joel is more eloquent than I by far so I recommend his answer regarding a Stack Overflow like site for lawyers: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5533/proposal-for-a-law-se/5546#5546" CreationDate="2010-07-25T23:56:35.600" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="763" PostId="489" Score="1" Text="Also the role of system administrators has been different in my experience than what you suggest. Our job is generally to support the technology infrastructure of the company's mission. Often that does involve supporting the developers but the primary goal is to support the goal of the company.  " CreationDate="2010-07-25T23:59:58.247" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="764" PostId="489" Text="I disagree - I think that a Stack Exchange should be accessible to everyone with an interest in a particular area. Yes, you are going to have those questions that are of the expert level, but you also are going to have novice and intermediate questions. How else do you move up from a novice to an expert unless you can ask those questions? You don't. Joel's posting on that suggestion for lawyers is just wrong - sure, support the experts, but allow for well written, well thought out novice questions." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:17:56.920" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="765" PostId="489" Text="I just want to clarify that more: There are four groups of people that I've seen. The experts - the high-rep, core users (the &quot;Jon Skeet&quot;s of each exchange). The intermediates/advanceds - the middle rep users who make up the bulk of the regular users of an exchange. The novices - people who are in the process of learning the field, who typically answer more questions than provide answers but want to move up. The drive-bys - people who ask a few questions and move on. An Exchange should cater to the novices through experts - allowing people to collaborate regardless of skill level." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:25:44.543" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="766" PostId="489" Text="The way I see it, experts don't *need* the exchange. They already know most of what they need to know. The people who want to learn are the ones who need the exchange - the students, novices, and intermediates who want to become advanced or experts in a given field by interacting with and learning from those who are currently experts." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:26:48.113" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="767" PostId="483" Score="2" Text="And by system administrator, I do hope you mean people who perform system administration tasks outside of work. I'm not trained or educated as a system administrator, but I run my own development servers and network for personal development and I feel I should be able to leverage and learn from this community of people. I'll never be any more than an novice or an intermediate in this field, but that doesn't mean I can't ask good questions and learn from people who are advanced or experts." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:32:19.177" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="768" PostId="482" Text="I don't like the concept of a beginner tag. Like you said, I could have 10 years of administrating Linux systems and then move to a Windows system. Also, &quot;beginner&quot; isn't a well-defined word (where do you draw the line between beginner, intermediate, and advanced?). It also has no semantic meaning - it doesn't doesn't describe the content of the question at all." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:35:01.650" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="769" PostId="489" Score="3" Text="@Thomas Who is going to answer the novice questions if the site does not attract experts?  My concern is that much of the activity on the site is not from professional sysadmins, but more people in your role.  The result is that the activity on more technical/difficult questions is quite low and answers only come from the same dozen or so people." CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:39:06.947" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="770" PostId="470" Text="I have two problems with the [beginner] tag. First, it adds no meaning to the question - there is no standard definition of what makes something a beginner question (although some are obvious). Second, how do you define other levels of difficulty (there's more than just beginner and non-beginner) and where do you draw the lines?" CreationDate="2010-07-26T01:55:23.803" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="771" PostId="489" Text="You need to accept both groups of people. Apparently, more needs to be done to attract the more experienced system administrators (the advanced and expert groups), and that's not my concern - that's the job of the person Jeff and Joel appointed to oversee ServerFault and do what Jeff and Joel managed to do for StackOverflow. My concern is being able to ask my novice and intermediate system administration questions, getting answers, and learning. Right now, that's not happening. If StackOverflow can address everything from the students to the Jon Skeets, ServerFault can, and must, do so as well" CreationDate="2010-07-26T02:03:25.857" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="772" PostId="486" Text="In response to your edits: I have a question about server-class software. The hardware and operating system in my problem do not matter. The problem clearly lies not with the hardware or the OS, but the server software - that software is what crashes. Second, the problem happens when I am in the role of a system administrator, installing my server software. Third, it doesn't matter if I'm installing to 1 computer or 1000 - this is clearly a system administration problem that is preventing me from getting my job as a software engineer done. I'm asking my question from one sysadmin to another." CreationDate="2010-07-26T02:34:15.597" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="773" PostId="489" Score="3" Text="@Thomas:&quot;The way I see it, experts don't need the exchange. They already know most of what they need to know&quot; - That is a pretty naive point of view. The more of an expert I become, the more I realize i don't know half of what I thought i knew. Also as I gain responsibilities, or move to new positions, I now need to learn new skills. You are never truly done learning. Now what SF strives to do to differentiate its self from say Yahoo!Answers is to cater to the experts specifically. Not to say we want to shun novices, but create a place where the hard questions can be asked and answered." CreationDate="2010-07-26T02:36:27.103" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="774" PostId="489" Text="My phrase &quot;don't need&quot; was a little extreme, yes. But really, the questions and answers should focus on the beginner, notice, intermediate, and advanced realms - the top experts in a given field probably aren't the ones browsing a Stack Exchange (asking questions or giving answers), but instead writing papers and books that the people here will read. You can't cater to the experts (and I mean the true experts - I'm not going to lie, you aren't an expert, at least in the sense that I'm using the word) because they aren't here." CreationDate="2010-07-26T02:48:05.237" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="775" PostId="491" Text="And just a random two-cents: When the &quot;third-place&quot; chat goes live, this kind of discussion is much, much easier and I think will redefine most of the stack exchanges out there. Non-real-time communication isn't that great for this kind of dynamic discussion. It's good for letting people get their thoughts in the open, but not good for settling points and reaching agreements." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:05:49.047" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="776" PostId="486" Text="@Thomas, that is the definition of the site as stated in the FAQ. I'm not sure what part of many desktops you are not getting. Even though i can't read @Jeff's mind, you are asking a question that is about one _desktop_ not many, and that is out of scope for serverfault. If i had asked the same question it would have been migrated too, and rightly so. " CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:12:08.753" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="777" PostId="491" Text="@Thomas, yes i would have preferred to talk it over there, but this is the format we have for now." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:19:48.303" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="778" PostId="486" Text="My question has been edited to address every point made in the FAQ that defines the topicality of ServerFault. My question is clearly on topic." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:25:40.617" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="779" PostId="487" Text="There's a difference between setting up MySQL for supporting MythTV and setting up a MySQL Server Instance to support software development projects. Using MySQL to support MythTV is probably not related to professional IT work (unless it's your job to go around and configure MythTV installations). However, configuring an environment to support software development is a professional concern." CreationDate="2010-07-26T03:27:05.643" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="780" PostId="471" Text="Thanks for the link, but this still doesn't really explain WHY rep offered as bounty is immediately lost." CreationDate="2010-07-26T04:22:06.817" UserId="14033" />
  <row Id="781" PostId="486" Text="Thomas: I run MySQL on *Linux servers* professionally, not developer's *Windows workstations*.  You're not entitled to *support* just because you think it's in scope.  You can manipulate semantics all you like but it will not change anything." CreationDate="2010-07-26T04:24:16.537" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="782" PostId="483" Score="1" Text="Running MySQL on a Windows 7 workstation is not a system administration task, Thomas." CreationDate="2010-07-26T04:37:14.403" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="783" PostId="489" Score="4" Text="You epitomize exactly what would drive me away from SF, Thomas." CreationDate="2010-07-26T04:41:48.890" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="784" PostId="489" Score="3" Text="&quot;...because they aren't here.&quot;  Yes, they are.  Offhand, looking through the first page of users, I've seen answers from at least half of them that are unarguably expert.  Well-written and demonstrating a thorough understanding of the topic.  As I recall, Evan isn't interested in writing books, but if he were he could take some of his answers and make a chapter of a best-seller out of them." CreationDate="2010-07-26T06:20:05.460" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="785" PostId="477" Score="2" Text="Maybe rep stuff isn't SF-specific, but one thing we're clearly going to need in the SF FAQ is a more thorough explanation of what questions are appropriate.  Just as soon as everyone agrees..." CreationDate="2010-07-26T06:27:39.797" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="786" PostId="486" Text="Well, that's your particular job. I know of system admins whose job includes the maintaining (or assisting with the maintenance) of development environments, including local development environments on developer machines. Just because you don't professionally do something doesn't mean that other people don't." CreationDate="2010-07-26T10:37:22.130" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="787" PostId="486" Score="1" Text="The development environment runs on the same platform that production runs on.  I'm confident that any reasonable IT shop does not run MySQL on Windows 7 workstations in production." CreationDate="2010-07-26T13:18:52.250" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="788" PostId="483" Score="1" Text="@Thomas - Server Fault is for &quot;people who **manage or maintain** computers in a *professional* capacity&quot; (my italics). If you have a question about administering your home system it should go on Server Fault. There shouldn't be anything stopping you posting answers here, but questions should be from people doing systems administration as their **job**." CreationDate="2010-07-26T13:53:11.480" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="789" PostId="492" Text="In regards to 1, assuming the question was articulate, I see no issue with a person who is subject to IT policies asking for clarification from SF.  I have seen those come up a couple times but I forget how they were handled-- I may have answered one myself." CreationDate="2010-07-26T14:12:23.883" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="790" PostId="483" Score="1" Text="Of course by &quot;Server Fault&quot; - I meant &quot;Super User&quot;. Too many web sites beginning with &quot;S&quot;." CreationDate="2010-07-26T14:15:36.653" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="791" PostId="492" Text="In regards to 2, if system administration is their job and the question they have is in scope of system administration, there usually is not much contention." CreationDate="2010-07-26T14:15:59.553" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="792" PostId="466" Score="2" Text="On a releated note, maybe someone should ask a CW question about how man pages work, what the various sections are, how they are organized and so on.  A good question about man pages would be useful to link to." CreationDate="2010-07-26T16:51:09.490" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="793" PostId="494" Score="1" Text="I am not sure about those two particular questions, but I think that questions are getting migrated both to and from SF often when they should have been closed." CreationDate="2010-07-26T16:53:41.453" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="794" PostId="478" Text="I have absolutely zero experience with PHP or supporting PHP applications, which is why I ignore that tag. This means a good chunk of questions are invisible to me. I've also experienced the same, 'specialist answers get 1-2 upvotes, but generalist answers get 10s of them,' phenomena myself. People read the tags they understand. In the public beta phase of SF, it was clear people were reading everything. As traffic increased, people started reading (and upvoting) much lower percentages of posts." CreationDate="2010-07-26T17:40:15.840" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="795" PostId="478" Text="I don't ignore anything." CreationDate="2010-07-26T17:45:43.193" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="796" PostId="473" Score="2" Text="@kyle I'm leery of rewriting questions markedly away from the original intent of the asker. Copy-editing? I do that all the time. I just have a hard time using my awesome editorial powers to redo someone's question. But you're right, some questions would be made less wince-worthy by some judicious editing for concept." CreationDate="2010-07-26T17:57:14.527" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="797" PostId="494" Score="1" Text="Several months ago, I had a question moved to meta.so and after it was migrated, I deleted it since I didn't expect it to get any answers." CreationDate="2010-07-26T18:56:08.777" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="798" PostId="478" Text="Back in Oct/Nov 2009 when there were a few threads about &quot;how to grow, improve SF,&quot; (including yours, when you were DLux) one of the things I commented on was that meta.SO didn't work as a place for SFers to discuss meta since it was dominated by SOers.  Maybe now that meta.SF exists, it will be possible for SF to define itself in a way that isn't dominated by programmers." CreationDate="2010-07-26T19:02:44.270" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="799" PostId="473" Text="I've also been reluctant to drastically edit questions, but it might be worth a try to see how much time it takes and if they get answers. OTOH, I'm not sure exactly how to make this a reasonable question: http://serverfault.com/questions/164199/question-related-to-classful-ip-addressing" CreationDate="2010-07-26T19:07:51.027" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="800" PostId="497" Text="I'm pretty sure that installation is part of configuration. And if my question isn't good enough to provide an answer to, then people should leave comments asking for more information. That's what comments are for (well, one of the things they are for)." CreationDate="2010-07-26T19:49:45.310" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="801" PostId="486" Text="You'd be surprised. I've seen places that used three-tier servers (dev, test, production). Test and production were identical linux boxes. Dev was a laptop running Linux. And everyone developed locally on their Windows machines before pushing to dev." CreationDate="2010-07-26T19:51:18.787" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="802" PostId="471" Text="@michael, because you're spending it on a service. If you hire someone to give you advice, you have to pay them, even if you don't like the advice. Except in this case, the bounty system holds it the cost in escrow, and you don't have to pay anyone if you don't want, but you still have to pay the money into the escrow account. Otherwise, I would set a 500-rep bounty on all my questions, get heaps of well thought out answers by users hoping to get paid, then take my bounty back and leave them in the cold. You can still do that, but at least you don't get your money back. (Money being rep, btw)" CreationDate="2010-07-26T20:41:32.253" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="803" PostId="483" Text="e.g. Questions about networking have and will be migrated to SF from SU *regardless of whether it's personal or business hardware*.  If the poster can't determine where that line is, it's ok - that's why they implemented cross-site migration in the first place." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:02:07.087" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="804" PostId="470" Score="1" Text="I disagree that beginner and professional are mutually exclusive.  I've met extremely professional beginners and outrageously unprofessional IT veterans.  The motivated and curious beginner gets a lot of respect from me - as do the people who take the time to mentor them." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:09:32.217" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="805" PostId="473" Text="@sysadmin1138: Yes I think maybe we can ask ourselves: &quot;Can this be salvaged?&quot;.  I think the one Ward just linked to is &quot;No, not in my mind&quot;.  I understand you don't want to destroy the intent of a question which was what I used to be thinking.  But now I think &quot;If the question is mostly junk and is going to get closed anyways, what is the harm?&quot;.  The person can always edit it back if they feel it has lost the intent.  They might even just edit it back partly and in the end we get good questions people want to answer.. I am going to start a new &quot;thread&quot; on this I think." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:09:39.627" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="806" PostId="498" Score="5" Text="I couldn't agree more.  SO could use some of the same medicine." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:14:20.077" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="807" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="I don't think we're as bad about it but it does happen." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:15:06.380" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="808" PostId="500" Score="1" Text="The concept of &quot;question-purgatory&quot; is interesting, I like the idea.  However, it could introduce substantially more moderation overhead as well as more cross posting, as users would be come impatient." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:22:22.127" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="809" PostId="501" Text="This has the potential to artificially inflate someone's reputation when they otherwise do not deserve it.  I have seen this happen once or twice but editing on this scale does not occur frequently." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:28:58.480" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="810" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="Agreed, I don't think we're as bad as Stack Overflow, but we're getting there. As we get more and more 10k users the problem will increase though." CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:35:12.290" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="811" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="Interestingly... http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/4679/serverfault-com-is-not-your-trash-bin" CreationDate="2010-07-26T21:36:31.633" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="812" PostId="498" Score="1" Text="That question doesn't remotely belong on SU.  If someone would have taken time to actually understand it and rewrite it a bit, it isn't really that bad of a beginner question." CreationDate="2010-07-26T22:01:51.550" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="813" PostId="501" Text="@Warner: I agree with Farseeker's #2 on that one, I wouldn't think the inflation will matter to much.  Unless someone just keeps asking crappy questions in which case people will probably get peeved and stop helping them and just downvote anyways..." CreationDate="2010-07-26T22:04:32.780" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="814" PostId="500" Text="It is my experience in forum-based Q/A environments that a triage forum will be created regardless of what the original architects wanted. The top forum in the list is usually the one that gets it. Here on the trilogy where the other sites are obscured to a fair extent, users may not even realize there is a choice. All in all, I like the idea of an 'incoming queue' for the mods to accept/close questions coming from other trilogy sites." CreationDate="2010-07-26T22:54:09.627" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="815" PostId="498" Text="For more examples see. http://serverfault.com/questions/163310/what-is-ip-address-what-is-ip-address-space-what-is-private-ip-address-space and http://serverfault.com/questions/163184/what-is-bandwidth-closed." CreationDate="2010-07-26T23:09:34.780" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="816" PostId="506" Text="It's a lot faster to vote-to-move than it is to take the time to fix a post. It's a hard one to incentivise. " CreationDate="2010-07-27T00:00:07.157" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="817" PostId="508" Text="The definition of server that I provided is THE accepted definition in computer science and software engineering and is pretty consistent across three books that I own, so I really can't argue with it. As for your other comments, I really like the differentiation and emphasis on the task at hand - I think you might have hit the nail on the head, but it's just a matter of making sure that if someone has a question, they know what tasks are best addressed by each community and I think that all three FAQs aren't doing so great at getting that point across." CreationDate="2010-07-27T00:44:15.650" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="818" PostId="506" Text="@sysadmin1138, updated answer with possible way to discourage excessively migrating questions." CreationDate="2010-07-27T00:49:17.997" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="819" PostId="506" Score="3" Text="The rep-on-destination idea has some real merit to it. It kind of dove-tails nicely into Kara's idea about a purgatory-queue. If you're spiffy enough on both sites, you can vote to move directly. Alternately, having the purgatory-queue visible to 3K+ users should help show the garbage-in/garbage-out principle. May be educational!" CreationDate="2010-07-27T01:01:03.977" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="820" PostId="508" Text="I see your edit. And that's the point I'm making. When I see in the StackOverflow and SuperUser FAQs that I can ask about servers here on ServerFault, my mind goes to the definition of server that I use as a software engineer. But as you can tell from my story in my original posting, it doesn't mean the same thing here on ServerFault. The SF FAQ should reflect the working definition of server as it applies to this site and the SO and SU FAQs should reflect the definition chosen by the SF community." CreationDate="2010-07-27T01:04:06.063" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="821" PostId="508" Text="I wasn't disagreeing that it is CS definition, I was am trying to say that the definition is pretty far away from how a system administrators would define what they mean in their day-to-day usage of the work 'server'." CreationDate="2010-07-27T01:04:16.733" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="822" PostId="508" Text="Yeah. That's why it's real important that the SF FAQ defines &quot;server&quot; as it means to system administrators (to account for people like me who come here from StackOverflow asking about things that us CS/SE people consider to be servers) and then get SO and SU to change their use of &quot;server&quot; in their FAQs so people don't get confused and wander here when they should be someplace else." CreationDate="2010-07-27T01:10:59.060" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="823" PostId="502" Score="2" Text="I couldn't force myself to resist the edit!" CreationDate="2010-07-27T03:13:10.193" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="824" PostId="502" Text="Whoops! Thanks ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-27T04:00:27.387" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="825" PostId="512" Score="1" Text="That's very true. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that Super User is somehow a lesser site. The fact of the matter is though to be able to find a problem on 10,000 different combinations of softwrae, hardware, virii, spyware, etc is probably a far harder challenge than keeping servers online." CreationDate="2010-07-27T04:06:08.770" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="826" PostId="495" Text="Thanks. This explanation makes a lot of sense. Still a little frustrating, but I get the advertising analogy." CreationDate="2010-07-27T13:45:13.780" UserId="14033" />
  <row Id="827" PostId="506" Text="That's a great idea.  Downvoting and voting to migrate seem like very similar activities - paying rep for migration votes makes perfect sense to me (especially given the problems it's gotta be causing SU)" CreationDate="2010-07-27T14:30:21.113" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="828" PostId="466" Text="@Zoredache - great idea, and done!  http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged?sort=info&amp;tagnames=man  however, I'm not a very good candidate to actually supply the content...  ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-27T14:43:49.147" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="829" PostId="486" Text="If this was purely about audience then your question would be more appropriate on stackoverflow.  Where you would likely find lots of people running mysql on dev boxes." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:07:02.607" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="830" PostId="498" Score="2" Text="I think part of it is that it only take 3 people to move it to SU. I for one voted to close (not a real question); but I suspect I was not the only one to do so. I know I've done that on other questions too only to have them end up on SU." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:07:21.700" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="831" PostId="486" Text="Also you try to make the point that the OS doesn't matter at all, but that is almost certainly not true.  It is likely you have some other piece of software on your workstation that is causing problems.  Obviously mysql installs on the majority of computer out in the world or the mysql devs would be fixing the installer and sending out and update.  A database server is frequently box that only a database server and doesn't have any other crud installed to confuse matters." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:09:11.213" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="832" PostId="513" Text="+1, Also add that some users (like the one mentioned here) ask several tightly related questions; receive an answer where it points them to self-learning (which doesn't answer their homework directly), and keep asking new questions (probably for each section of homework). Since the same 'answer' from the first question applies, maybe it should be closed as a dupe." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:12:06.187" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="833" PostId="504" Text="I believe this question ended up 2-3 or 1-1-3 or something along those lines (possibly 1-1-1-2)." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:13:56.103" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="834" PostId="499" Text="I agree with Warner and Farseeker; we don't dump nearly as badly as SO, but it happens (the above question is an obvious example)." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:16:12.293" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="835" PostId="500" Text="+1, Reject the question move. It's not common, but I've seen things come in (from SO in particular) that should not be on SF. It would be nice if we didn't need 5 votes again to get it to where it belongs." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:18:26.300" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="836" PostId="497" Score="1" Text="@Thomas, software installation on one computer is desktop administration; not system administration. If you were rolling it out to every computer on a network, that would be different. As for question quality: Garbage in = Garbage out. People normally do comment, but we're not getting paid for this." CreationDate="2010-07-27T17:25:33.573" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="837" PostId="466" Score="1" Text="I agree with Warner on this one. It seems questions phrased something akin to &quot;spoon feed me on this topic now!&quot; get answers that do just that, step by step direction for people who have no technical skills at all. I think you side-stepped his point when you pulled out the &quot;best possible answer&quot; which is exactly how we should be answering well worded newbie questions." CreationDate="2010-07-27T18:01:19.593" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="838" PostId="501" Score="1" Text="I think it happens very commonly that the author grossly misunderstand the subject matter. Editing the question so it makes sense removes the original misunderstanding. People answering the question will no longer realize this fact, and the answer may no longer help." CreationDate="2010-07-27T18:05:02.567" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="839" PostId="506" Score="1" Text="I added this rep cost idea as a [feature-request](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/58642/adjust-the-system-to-slightly-discourage-migration-over-other-close-reasons) on MSO." CreationDate="2010-07-27T21:22:55.787" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="840" PostId="498" Text="@Chris, I think you've nailed it right there. It only takes a majority vote to get it migrated. Maybe that should change, or on option should be given to somehow un-vote a move vote." CreationDate="2010-07-27T21:51:33.633" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="841" PostId="483" Text="@Thomas, the trick to making a site like SF useful to people in your situation is to phrase questions in a manner that doesn't expose the fact that you're not a professional admin. Word the question to at least imply it's about your business network and people will answer and treat it accordingly. Make it obvious that it's a home network and you can expect to to get migrated." CreationDate="2010-07-28T01:13:15.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="842" PostId="489" Score="2" Text="@Thomas, on a site intended only for professional programmers, how welcome would a question about writing a &quot;Hello world&quot; program in BASIC be? SF should not be rendered useless by similar level questions in our field. If you have an IT problem at home either ask about it on an APPROPRIATE site or perhaps pay one of us to fix it for you." CreationDate="2010-07-28T01:24:21.140" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="843" PostId="515" Text="I wasn't feeling bold enough to rewrite the entire structure of the question, so I added it as the first sub-question." CreationDate="2010-07-28T02:01:51.830" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="844" PostId="517" Text="I'm inclined to agree with you, Evan has done a great job with that wiki and this topic would get lost in there." CreationDate="2010-07-28T03:51:33.173" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="845" PostId="517" Text="Oddly enough, this probably would have been a great place to start: http://serverfault.com/questions/164240/why-is-classful-addressing-obsolete-closed  That is, it would have been a great place to start if it was asked more eloquently " CreationDate="2010-07-28T03:56:28.630" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="846" PostId="498" Text="Time to fess up - I believe I was one of those that voted for the SU move. In retrospect, that was an ill-conceived idea. I'll make sure to be more selective in what I send over there in the future." CreationDate="2010-07-28T04:10:13.380" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="847" PostId="498" Score="1" Text="I hate it when a question is moved because the majority of votes were for the move but even those who voted otherwise get listed as being responsible for the move. More than once I've held back from voting because there are already 3 votes to move a question that really should be killed." CreationDate="2010-07-28T05:06:53.407" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="848" PostId="516" Score="1" Text="The way I see it, Community Wiki does serve a purpose because it allows questions to be asked (and answered) that really have no right or wrong answer and would otherwise be too subjective and possibly be killed off." CreationDate="2010-07-28T05:17:05.887" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="849" PostId="502" Text="just another note on these hit &amp; run buggers.  I reckon if you go to the trouble to edit their question into a reasonable one, you should be able to pick the right answer.  Most open questions are from hit &amp; runs weenies who never bother to pick a right answer." CreationDate="2010-07-28T05:44:35.407" UserId="1715" />
  <row Id="850" PostId="514" Score="1" Text="BTW have you seen this question.  It may be a good candidate for a CIDR question. http://serverfault.com/questions/12854/cidr-for-dummies" CreationDate="2010-07-28T06:17:35.387" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="851" PostId="514" Text="@Zore, I just saw it then when you bumped it to the top. It's very good - I had never seen it before. It's even got a great title!" CreationDate="2010-07-28T06:25:23.810" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="852" PostId="489" Text="John, I would welcome such a question because I don't differentiate between someone who is sitting at home doing their own thing and someone working in a corporate environment. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that it is my responsibility to help everyone that I can. My reaching out and helping everyone who needs it, I am helping that one person better understand how to design, build, deploy, and maintain software and therefore making my life easier." CreationDate="2010-07-28T10:24:30.543" UserId="296" />
  <row Id="853" PostId="501" Text="Are there any SF-specific editor guides lines besides the [FAQ on MSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/11474/what-is-the-etiquette-for-modifying-posts)?  N00b 2K'r here. Would like to contribute helpful edits." CreationDate="2010-07-28T10:41:56.097" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="854" PostId="518" Text="You mean the classes are dead, not CIDR (in the IPv4 world). Also, I would expect a CCNA to know a little history of IP; but there's no reason to teach it in college (except maybe a 400 level Computer History class)." CreationDate="2010-07-28T12:31:13.843" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="855" PostId="517" Text="I think Zoredache's comment above got it: http://serverfault.com/questions/12854/cidr-for-dummies" CreationDate="2010-07-28T12:33:18.613" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="856" PostId="484" Text="I think it's a different case when you clearly take credit for the executable file. It's when you're generically linking to what appears to be a 3rd party site that the problem is introduced." CreationDate="2010-07-28T13:00:59.697" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="857" PostId="498" Text="You know, the reason why we like to move questions from SF to SU is because SU is such a boring place; it's only right to give them some fun. " CreationDate="2010-07-28T13:09:39.307" UserId="1605" />
  <row Id="858" PostId="519" Text="+1 &quot;Closing a question as duplicate/already-answered/&quot;beginner&quot; and redirecting the the One True Example&quot;" CreationDate="2010-07-28T13:38:24.780" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="859" PostId="518" Text="@Chris S, fixed.  The problem is that the CCNA book I was reading didn't cover it as if it was history, but instead the standard way things are done." CreationDate="2010-07-28T16:07:22.010" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="860" PostId="522" Score="2" Text="Fantastic to see a first hand account from a SU moderator.  Thanks for contributing." CreationDate="2010-07-28T19:32:55.963" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="861" PostId="523" Text="*&quot;And I really mean a professional server one, not one which would be used as a home server&quot;*&#xA;&#xA;In school we got Windows Server ISOs from MSDN.  I can assure you that I was running the &quot;professional&quot; server OS on my home machines. :)" CreationDate="2010-07-28T19:34:10.420" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="862" PostId="523" Text="@jscott - yes, this I meant with the &quot;a few home servers&quot;. The other sentence was more about Windows Home Server :-]" CreationDate="2010-07-28T20:40:38.950" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="863" PostId="521" Text="Also, if you authorize the tags once, you will have them for 6 months after, from people between 500 and 3000 reputation, and it might be hard to get rid of them." CreationDate="2010-07-28T20:57:49.847" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="864" PostId="489" Text="Personally, I don't care whether a question is coming from someone &quot;sitting at home&quot; or from &quot;a corporate environment&quot;. I make the call on answering (or voting to migrate) based on whether or not the question and my answer will, later on, be helpful to someone who is a professional sysadmin. If the question is something that likely would occur for someone in a professional capacity (with a basic professional skill-level) I'll happily answer. If the question is so basic as not to occur to someone who is a professional then I'm going to abstain from answering or vote to migrate." CreationDate="2010-07-28T21:03:05.027" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="865" PostId="484" Text="@Chris, that makes sense." CreationDate="2010-07-28T21:22:07.993" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="866" PostId="498" Score="1" Text="@Ngu, you're kidding, right?" CreationDate="2010-07-28T21:29:07.123" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="867" PostId="520" Text="Hmm, I know we nuked all the `belongs-on-` tags a while ago as bad form, but that was from before the stack exchange sites existed... hmm..." CreationDate="2010-07-28T21:32:20.463" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="868" PostId="516" Text="@John What would you do with [this CW example](http://gist.github.com/497117), edit it or kill it?" CreationDate="2010-07-29T03:07:58.453" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="869" PostId="498" Text="@Farseeker, no, I'm dead serious :)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T07:06:25.470" UserId="1605" />
  <row Id="870" PostId="521" Text="I'll admit the belongs-on-superuser tag has hung around longer than it should've.  Maybe I'll work on killing that off today.  ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T12:31:06.510" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="871" PostId="522" Text="That's great news!  I'll finally clean up some of the pre-SU [belongs-on-superuser] tagged items I've been holding back on, because I felt like you were already getting inundated in migrated questions." CreationDate="2010-07-29T13:16:07.227" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="872" PostId="525" Text="+1 , I agree that some overlap is fine. Trying to make too sharp of division feels unnecessary to me.  I think that is part of the reason it takes 5 votes to move something ... the idea being don't move it unless it really needs to be moved." CreationDate="2010-07-29T13:19:29.667" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="873" PostId="527" Score="1" Text="Agreed.  I didn't vote to move because it is well-formed and involved topical subjects." CreationDate="2010-07-29T13:43:10.000" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="874" PostId="505" Text="+1 I never vote to move and always vote to close (which brings up another problem).  I hate seeing questions dumped on SF, and I doubt SO/SU want our questions dumped on them.  Personally, I think the question migration feature should be completely removed.  Just close and let the individual reask on the appropriate site." CreationDate="2010-07-29T13:59:26.903" UserId="5391" />
  <row Id="875" PostId="522" Text="@Kara - it's not a matter of being inundated by them, only a question of topic. If you feel it is [on-topic](http://superuser.com/faq), migrate away! And if hesitating, you can always ask a question on [our meta](http://meta.superuser.com/), the way I did here." CreationDate="2010-07-29T14:08:16.353" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="876" PostId="528" Text="Definitely, I'll edit above to be less murky in what I'm trying to get at." CreationDate="2010-07-29T14:25:48.027" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="877" PostId="531" Text="belongs to http://meta.serverfault.com/ or meta meta.." CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:30:49.637" UserId="2413" />
  <row Id="878" PostId="531" Text="Duplicate: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/6650/is-there-a-faq-on-my-questions-was-migrated-what-next" CreationDate="2009-07-18T17:48:23.107" />
  <row Id="879" PostId="532" Text="Just did.  The question is not associated with my user id." CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:10:09.990" />
  <row Id="880" PostId="532" Text="Don't post the beta password here. Just link to the blog post." CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:56:33.187" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="881" PostId="533" Text="+1 for linking to the blog post rather than just posting the password here." CreationDate="2009-07-18T16:57:06.580" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="882" PostId="534" Text="unless you're trying to make sure that it will work as desired... yes, its a PITA for those that missed the post about the beta, but if the testing allows us to work out any issues now as opposed to later I'll deal with the hassle that the beta entails." CreationDate="2009-07-19T14:03:28.127" UserId="284" />
  <row Id="883" PostId="534" Text="How about just **not deleting or moving the question**? Take a cold shower, and if you still can't help yourself, wait until after superuser actually opens, and then move it. " CreationDate="2009-08-20T01:28:53.583" />
  <row Id="884" PostId="536" Score="1" Text="I would guess if such a thing were implemented they would have a version of [closed], perhaps called [moved] so that a question placeholder could be found with a link to the moved version on the other site. Now that I've said it, perhaps that's too much complication." CreationDate="2009-05-03T17:05:57.867" />
  <row Id="885" PostId="536" Text="I guess that makes sense." CreationDate="2009-05-03T17:47:20.530" />
  <row Id="886" PostId="538" Text="+1  interesting" CreationDate="2009-05-03T17:49:55.033" />
  <row Id="887" PostId="538" Text="This operation will most likely be constrained to moderators or question owners." CreationDate="2009-05-15T03:58:04.627" />
  <row Id="888" PostId="540" Text="Look at the dates." CreationDate="2009-08-26T14:44:23.653" />
  <row Id="889" PostId="540" Text="Well, the question is still correct and he is just answering :)" CreationDate="2009-08-26T15:04:15.523" />
  <row Id="890" PostId="542" Text="Thanks for the link.  Where is the feed linked from?  I couldn't find it anywhere on the site or am I just blind?" CreationDate="2009-06-03T09:25:28.147" />
  <row Id="891" PostId="542" Text="Thanks.  I was spending too much time on the questions page :)" CreationDate="2009-06-03T10:00:05.333" />
  <row Id="892" PostId="544" Text="Please update this to community wiki and add the link back to the FAQ listing - http://serverfault.com/questions/8324/how-does-serverfault-work-the-community-faq" CreationDate="2009-05-26T13:40:03.753" />
  <row Id="893" PostId="544" Text="Good idea.  Done." CreationDate="2009-05-26T14:29:39.740" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="894" PostId="546" Text="Great!  Wasn't around for the SO beta, but I was pretty sure that that was a key ingredient and would obviously carry over here." CreationDate="2009-05-21T13:58:57.900" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="895" PostId="547" Text="Cool, thx.  I haven't been following the podcast (yet).  One of these days I'll get caught up....." CreationDate="2009-05-21T20:13:12.373" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="896" PostId="548" Text="We should post in Esperanto ... ;) " CreationDate="2009-09-25T17:04:50.467" />
  <row Id="897" PostId="553" Text="Suggestion; add this to the community wiki? It's a good question." CreationDate="2009-06-09T11:40:17.590" />
  <row Id="898" PostId="553" Score="3" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/10841/How-to-handle-duplicate-questions" CreationDate="2010-02-19T20:17:45.260" />
  <row Id="899" PostId="554" Score="1" Text="Merging questions is a good option when they're exactly the same and the second question has fetched some answers before it can be deleted." CreationDate="2009-06-09T15:09:10.060" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="900" PostId="558" Text="Why wouldn't SEO belong?  As a sysadmin, don't you have to register sites with search engines, submit sitemaps, etc?" CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:10:12.043" />
  <row Id="901" PostId="558" Score="2" Text="As a sysadmin, I have never had to do that. That is generally the job of the site developer, or the person responsible for the sites content" CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:12:02.010" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="902" PostId="558" Text="And SEO is much more than just registering sites and sitemaps. It has a **lot** more to do with the site's content and marketing." CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:16:04.107" />
  <row Id="903" PostId="558" Text="I'm not speaking to the content of the site, that is solely the developer's responsiblity, but I do disagree with the idea that the developer is responsible for administering the web site once it's reached the publishing stage.  At that point the developer should be hands off, which isn't what is being advocated here." CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:34:50.317" />
  <row Id="904" PostId="563" Score="1" Text="I felt there needed to be a distinction between administering SEO and the techniques.  I completely agree that SEO techniques do not really have relevance on SF, but I feel that administering your site in regards to SEO is indeed something that does belong here." CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:40:20.833" />
  <row Id="905" PostId="563" Text="Quite frankly some SEO techniques might be interesting topics if the only thing discussed pertains to how the website is configured/developed/administrated, but it certainly wouldn't cover general SEO techniques, spamming, link bait, etc - which is the bread and butter of typical SEO. Keep this site for server configuration, setup, and administration issues, and as SEO requires these professional activities, great, but any SEO topic that doesn't relate to those specific activities, then go to an SEO forum - there are many." CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:43:35.130" />
  <row Id="906" PostId="563" Text="@Adam thanks, I wanted to try and go along with your theme as best I could =) " CreationDate="2009-05-08T17:46:52.657" />
  <row Id="907" PostId="565" Text="Sure, thats done" CreationDate="2009-05-02T17:52:49.917" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="908" PostId="566" Text="What about retagging a question to reformat a tag when somebody makes one up? On SO, I sometimes see somebody make up a new tag when there is already an existing one, so I fix it." CreationDate="2009-05-03T00:23:01.257" />
  <row Id="909" PostId="566" Text="Nice :) But a few minor points until I can edit myself: 9.0.4 should be 9.04 (the 04 is for April). Also backup and ubuntu aren't the best tags for being narrow as they are both (currently) in the ten most common tags - backup being more common that windowsserver2003. Maybe the narrow tags could be smtp, firewall ..." CreationDate="2009-05-03T19:06:23.507" UserId="629" />
  <row Id="910" PostId="566" Text="Good points, have adapted to meet them." CreationDate="2009-05-03T21:03:53.007" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="911" PostId="566" Text="First you give instruction to use all lower-case, then you give example of tag &quot;Windows Server 2003&quot; which should be transformed to &quot;Windows-Server-2003&quot;, shouldn't that be &quot;windows-server-2003&quot;?" CreationDate="2009-05-05T17:22:17.000" />
  <row Id="912" PostId="566" Text="Also &quot;Windows Server 2003&quot; is a bit bad example, since there is already popular tag &quot;windowsserver2003&quot;. Maybe &quot;active-directory&quot; would be better example for this case?" CreationDate="2009-05-05T17:34:17.487" />
  <row Id="913" PostId="567" Score="1" Text="Well in my opinion, tags denote a collection, so should be plural in the case of best-practices, it gets a bit less obvious with filesystems and upgrades, I prefer plural, but either would work" CreationDate="2009-05-02T17:51:21.183" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="914" PostId="568" Text="15 character minimum to say yes." CreationDate="2009-05-24T06:18:32.540" UserId="1233" />
  <row Id="915" PostId="570" Text="Its a good idea to tag posts that don't belong here with something, so that people who can, can easily vote for them to be closed, it would be nice if it was a consistent tag everyone used.&#xA;As for these techsupport questsions, they will eventually have a home on SuperUser, so it may make some sense to eventually use a belongs-on-superuser tag" CreationDate="2009-06-02T08:12:57.417" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="916" PostId="530" Text="aw shucks :) thanks matey" CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:28:11.483" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="917" PostId="572" Text="*end of working day, apologies if this doesn't make much sense.*" CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:39:21.613" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="918" PostId="571" Score="1" Text="(careful with the faq tag, though, it's a special one on the meta sites)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:46:08.213" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="919" PostId="571" Score="1" Text="ah, did not know, should have read the faq ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:47:05.903" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="920" PostId="573" Text="good point about the advertisers link - tbh I'd never spotted it before." CreationDate="2010-07-29T15:48:23.673" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="921" PostId="440" Text="@John Hence nobody suggested merging the two ;)" CreationDate="2010-07-29T17:50:22.070" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="922" PostId="529" Text="It'd be interesting to see a timezone distribution and &quot;most active hours&quot; graph - maybe you're just seeing them when most of the 3k+ users are asleep." CreationDate="2010-07-29T17:53:21.113" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="923" PostId="506" Text="Do the SU folks have the capability to send the inappropriate questions back? If so, could there be some sort of penalty of forced arbitration for questions bouncing around? Or some rep penalty (or privilege suspension) for folks who pass the trash too frequently?" CreationDate="2010-07-29T19:33:01.793" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="924" PostId="498" Text="Why on earth was this question cited moved? It could have been closed as vague, edited, or voted down. But who on earth would thing it appropriate for SuperUser.com?" CreationDate="2010-07-29T19:34:20.513" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="925" PostId="504" Text="Then why did it end up on SuperUser?  Does the last vote rule, or the first vote?" CreationDate="2010-07-29T19:37:26.557" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="926" PostId="574" Text="coincidentally, sure." CreationDate="2010-07-29T20:56:28.507" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="927" PostId="530" Text="It seems to me that it is mostly just having active moderators." CreationDate="2010-07-29T22:07:12.013" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="928" PostId="530" Text="I was only kidding, it's because of Kyle really." CreationDate="2010-07-29T22:10:33.290" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="929" PostId="504" Text="@tomjedrz it's simple majority. so if you have 1-1-1-2 then the two wins or 2-3 three wins" CreationDate="2010-07-29T22:13:23.773" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="930" PostId="575" Score="1" Text="Agreed .. networking theory stuff fits on ServerFault" CreationDate="2010-07-29T22:52:13.327" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="931" PostId="528" Text="Until you are told to do it at the home of the owner, and make it work without disturbing his VPN." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:04:45.617" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="932" PostId="576" Score="4" Text="`There is no practical difference between a &quot;home&quot; network (DSL, broadband router, 2 or 3 PCs, Home Server, xBox, DVR) and a office network (T1, firewall, 150 PCs, a copier, perhaps telephone system).` I think you'll find there's a huge difference between maintaining a DSL and a T1 connection as they're two different technologies..." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:20:52.190" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="933" PostId="576" Text="Sure, but from the point of view of how the IP network works, they are essentially identical." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:40:39.130" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="934" PostId="576" Score="1" Text="Home and small business maybe similar but out of the &quot;small&quot; part of the SME space trying to run an office like a home is not such a good idea. also not every office only has 150 pcs to maintain. heck most of our small offices are in the 1000's of pcs." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:43:17.690" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="935" PostId="530" Text="I would like to see the moderators have a softer touch in this area myself .. it is easy enough to ignore questions. " CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:43:37.363" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="936" PostId="576" Text="You have it backwards .. home networks need to be run more like the office. The data at home is just as valuable as the data at the office, and I get as much grief from my wife when there are problems as I do from my boss." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:45:46.610" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="937" PostId="575" Text="+1 I already check here if i remember seeing something i've suddenly needed to learn real quick." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:46:08.107" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="938" PostId="528" Text="@tom what? no just because you are doing it at a company owner's home doesn't suddenly make it in scope because it is still a *home* networking issue." CreationDate="2010-07-29T23:47:49.837" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="939" PostId="573" Text="Link to the &quot;inert monster/piece of art&quot; ?" CreationDate="2010-07-30T07:47:17.157" UserId="20186" />
  <row Id="940" PostId="573" Text="@Maxim - You would need 10k of reputation to actually see it. To the regular eye it's just a basic user account with no questions (and no, I'm not playing a fairy tale here)." CreationDate="2010-07-30T07:52:00.297" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="941" PostId="530" Text="I disagree, tom.  I believe you're in a complete minority." CreationDate="2010-07-30T13:28:06.783" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="942" PostId="294" Text="I'm going to write a language called belongs-on just to make that a valid tag." CreationDate="2010-07-30T17:14:05.180" UserId="247" />
  <row Id="943" PostId="580" Score="1" Text="I feel it would be a better fit for there as well but feel I shouldn't use my moderator power (Want community to decide).  Although I am tempted because I don't actually know what happens when you put a question back where it came from :-)" CreationDate="2010-07-30T21:32:17.340" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="944" PostId="580" Text="@Kyle 2 more votes and we find out ..." CreationDate="2010-07-30T21:40:43.723" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="945" PostId="581" Text="I use VCS and administrate VCS.  It could be a SF topic too but that question in particular is not." CreationDate="2010-07-30T22:42:08.113" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="946" PostId="584" Score="3" Text="It'd be like people going to Super User asking &quot;how do I get warez&quot;." CreationDate="2010-07-31T07:25:31.657" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="947" PostId="581" Text="Single programmers on single machines should 1. not be asking on ServerFault 2. be using a DVCS anyway." CreationDate="2010-08-01T02:41:31.317" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="948" PostId="580" Text="@Kyle - it messes up completely, the situation is not handled by the engine. We had [this situation](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/39595/) on Super User. It's not linking back to the previous question, it's creating a new one on SO. The message is messed up on the SF question, to the previous &quot;migrated from&quot;, and not to &quot;migrated to&quot;. I flagged the question on SO for moderator's review, they ill probably merge the two of them." CreationDate="2010-08-01T09:20:04.317" UserId="10448" />
  <row Id="949" PostId="586" Score="2" Text="I saw that answer go by and just shook my head. Kids these days." CreationDate="2010-08-02T01:37:08.283" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="950" PostId="587" Score="2" Text="You didn't tag this as &quot;dirty-spamming-spammer-spam&quot;?" CreationDate="2010-08-02T02:26:25.950" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="951" PostId="587" Text="Good work ` ``  `" CreationDate="2010-08-02T02:28:32.527" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="952" PostId="516" Text="@Andrew, as the question isn't on one of this trilogy's sites, I am unfamiliar with the site on which it is asked and I'm unfamiliar with the topic itself it's not an easy one to respond to. However, my first though was that it could well stand being edited into something a lot more meaningful. The wording looks to me to be the result of a language problem more than anything else. In short, killing it would not be my first response." CreationDate="2010-08-02T05:09:37.920" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="953" PostId="587" Text="@andrew I was really tempted by, &quot;Some bloody Vikings need to get ejected.&quot;" CreationDate="2010-08-02T05:42:38.350" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="954" PostId="591" Text="Personally I suspect it is more of a language barrier issue for him.  Asking questions about homework is not directly wrong.  The way he asks most of his questions doesn't seem to me like he is looking for the direct answer to an assignment.  Many of them seem more like he is looking for clarification on some topic.  Unfortunately because they are badly written it is difficult to be sure.  I think many of his questions would be fine with a little [editing](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/501/editing-not-so-good-questions)" CreationDate="2010-08-02T15:59:33.140" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="955" PostId="591" Score="2" Text="He has stated several times that his questions are about something he recently learned in class/sessions. From the ServerFault FAQ: &quot;Server Fault is for system administrators and IT professionals, people who manage or maintain computers in a professional capacity&quot;" CreationDate="2010-08-02T16:14:45.373" UserId="9140" />
  <row Id="956" PostId="586" Text="Minor note: &quot;math's&quot; was intended by the author as a contraction of &quot;math is&quot; rather than the British &quot;maths&quot; with an extraneous apostrophe. " CreationDate="2010-08-02T16:37:31.523" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="957" PostId="593" Text="I guess I feel a little silly. Being on the site over a year, and I can't remember ever flagging a post. I guess I wasn't aware it was that easy." CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:01:21.863" UserId="9007" />
  <row Id="958" PostId="591" Text="I think the semi-repetitive nature of his questions suggests they're short-essay homework questions; plus many later questions were already answered in earlier question's answers." CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:20:36.733" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="959" PostId="593" Score="1" Text="See also: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/57497/limit-to-self-promotion-in-answers/" CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:22:11.877" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="960" PostId="584" Score="1" Text="+1, I extend this to breaking network policy as well, not just the law." CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:38:42.110" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="961" PostId="54" Score="1" Text="If it's a personal computer it doesn't matter if it's also your work computer; **it's still a home computer** and most of those questions will belong on SU. **If you aren't sure, post on SU** and they'll recognize if it's more appropriate for SF." CreationDate="2010-08-02T20:40:33.120" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="962" PostId="589" Text="Ahhhh this will never get old, will it?" CreationDate="2010-08-02T21:32:46.293" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="963" PostId="586" Text="@Dennis, that makes it even worse, it means that he was gramatically CORRECT!" CreationDate="2010-08-02T21:33:22.097" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="964" PostId="586" Score="1" Text="Also nominated for nickname of the year...." CreationDate="2010-08-02T22:09:14.100" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="965" PostId="593" Text="@dan It takes a few flags for it to be automatically taken care of, but it does get moderator attention." CreationDate="2010-08-02T22:50:31.920" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="966" PostId="60" Text="+!, At the worst they'll migrate it to SF if it should be there." CreationDate="2010-08-03T01:07:51.260" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="967" PostId="529" Text="It's because people who have been here for a while start recognizing the questions that make you stupider for having read them." CreationDate="2010-08-03T01:14:50.187" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="968" PostId="523" Text="&quot;In general, I know that this is not really a matter of sysadmin, it's really a 'user task'&quot; - Sounds pretty clear cut to me." CreationDate="2010-08-03T01:23:03.567" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="969" PostId="334" Text="The problem with NOT having anonymous voting is that it would result in retaliatory voting patterns, which would make the site completely worthless." CreationDate="2010-08-03T02:56:37.953" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="970" PostId="516" Text="@John that was a hypothetical ServerFault question; [this is what I'd edit the question into](http://gist.github.com/497117). Perhaps a bad example as it's too close to a real question." CreationDate="2010-08-03T05:03:44.780" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="971" PostId="599" Text="So where is the line, fuzzy as it may be? Do we simply each use our own discretion or should there be some sort of guideline?" CreationDate="2010-08-03T10:18:18.467" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="972" PostId="599" Score="1" Text="@John, Unless there's some &quot;sysadmin&quot; twist on the question, send software questions to SU." CreationDate="2010-08-03T13:07:18.230" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="974" PostId="593" Text="6 flags, automatic deletion.  http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/58032/how-does-the-spam-flag-work" CreationDate="2010-08-03T13:15:04.900" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="975" PostId="589" Text="So how's that translate in Italian? :)" CreationDate="2010-08-03T21:34:29.807" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="977" PostId="462" Text="Bump, @all, please remember to occasionally check the pending link and vote." CreationDate="2010-08-03T23:41:10.660" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="978" PostId="462" Text="@Zore, the problem with voting is that it's too hard to do lots at once :( It would be nice if the up/down votes were on the pending page itself..." CreationDate="2010-08-04T02:02:00.327" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="979" PostId="600" Text="That's pretty much the way I see it but just wanted to know if others feel the same way about it." CreationDate="2010-08-04T02:47:07.147" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="980" PostId="576" Score="1" Text="Let's take it to extremes. My car, and no doubt yours as well, has a number of interconnected computer systems. Would it then be appropriate to ask questions on SF when some part of that system isn't running as it should? After all, despite the absence of CAT5 cables, it's still a computer network and in this case problems can quite literally mean life or death. " CreationDate="2010-08-04T03:31:56.993" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="981" PostId="578" Text="I hadn't got round to emailing team@ but it looks like Jeff has already sorted it. Accepted Answer to you though as it would've solved it I'm sure, if I'd been less lazy. Oh and +1 =)" CreationDate="2010-08-04T08:52:55.813" UserId="49805" />
  <row Id="982" PostId="605" Text="thanks. i'm just  some sort of noob that gets headaches from 'Advanced Super Ninja Search Options' ie typing lots of [] and : in a searchbox (makes me having to think, and I hate thinking on websites). I think I'll stick to my current habits then, though I have to admit that the extra search options are powerful :-)" CreationDate="2010-08-04T09:45:08.223" UserId="10842" />
  <row Id="984" PostId="605" Score="2" Text="You might be on the wrong Web sites if you don't like to think." CreationDate="2010-08-04T13:52:53.730" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="985" PostId="602" Text="+1 &quot;Also, if a huge percentage of your posts include a mention of your product, you're clearly here for the wrong reasons.&quot; - From the FAQ." CreationDate="2010-08-04T15:39:16.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="987" PostId="608" Text="Thanks Kyle...." CreationDate="2010-08-04T22:49:41.857" UserId="5947" />
  <row Id="988" PostId="610" Score="1" Text="this is a joke right? I think a more conventional way to meet sysadmins is to show up to software related usergroup meetings! " CreationDate="2010-08-06T01:39:25.493" UserId="1715" />
  <row Id="989" PostId="610" Score="2" Text="You want to recruit sysadmins using ham radio?  Have you considered using an asynchronous communications medium, e.g. careers.serverfault.com?" CreationDate="2010-08-06T02:02:40.517" UserId="28400" />
  <row Id="990" PostId="611" Text="you'll get lucky on IRC in talking to a spambot created by a sysadmin maybe!!" CreationDate="2010-08-06T01:41:20.870" UserId="1715" />
  <row Id="991" PostId="613" Text="#4, fixed that for you. :)" CreationDate="2010-08-06T02:15:53.673" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="992" PostId="514" Text="@Farseeker ... where is the `&lt;blink&gt;` tags on the new! :-D" CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:07:51.883" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="993" PostId="514" Text="@Zyph, that better? ;)" CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:10:06.890" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="994" PostId="609" Text="I think part of it too is that on SO there are tons of people who can vote a question over to SF/SU. But on SF and SU there are only dozens. I still think a large part of it is that is doesn't take 5 votes, it can take as little as 2 (in a 1-1-1-2 vote). Maybe if we required 3 or 4 Move Votes before it would actually move, regardless of the total number of votes..." CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:33:17.783" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="995" PostId="610" Text="Is it just good timing that this migrated question showed up shortly after John asked his question about migration voting?" CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:50:06.373" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="996" PostId="609" Text="@Chris, good points. Perhaps instead of 5 votes total it should be 5 clear votes for any single option for the action to occur." CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:56:23.523" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="997" PostId="614" Text="I believe moves will always be a valid option, so maybe questions should go into a moderator's bin and one of those gets to make the final decision whether to move, close or put it back, perhaps with a reason why. I don't know how many messages we're talking about, so that might place too much work at the feet of the mods." CreationDate="2010-08-06T03:59:02.623" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="998" PostId="518" Text="You know, this kind of thing is probably prime material for a Tag-wiki." CreationDate="2010-08-06T04:07:06.220" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="999" PostId="612" Score="1" Text="I haven't researched it lately.  Is Morse code still required?  I know or could learn the electronics, but I have never really been all that interested in learning Morse code." CreationDate="2010-08-06T06:30:07.267" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1000" PostId="610" Text="I would suggest that the first step in recruiting sysadmins is to show some respect for them and not abuse a site dedicated to them with such utter nonsense. BTW, you heard wrong. " CreationDate="2010-08-06T11:22:49.153" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1001" PostId="612" Text="On and off I've tried for over 40 years to learn Morse code and so far I can do SOS and E. Some things just refuse to stick in my memory. Probably just as well. Now that my hands are getting a bit shaky I'd just be stuttering anyway." CreationDate="2010-08-06T11:29:25.697" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1002" PostId="573" Text="+1 for &quot;It would be also useless to make such a line in the FAQ&quot;. It's hard enough to get people to read the first sentence, let alone adding more content. :(" CreationDate="2010-08-06T11:56:44.250" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1003" PostId="584" Text="I agree with Chris S. My pet hate is people asking for ways to circumvent restrictions imposed by their admins. What I hate even more is people answering those questions." CreationDate="2010-08-06T12:05:34.563" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1004" PostId="612" Score="1" Text="At least in the US (where I'm licensed), Morse is not required any more, even for the top-level license (Extra). Last January I decided to finally get my license. I downloaded study guides for Technician and General. I studied over my lunch hours for about two weeks, then took and passed both Tech and General. I did take the Extra test, but that one is significantly more difficult and having not studied for it at all, didn't pass." CreationDate="2010-08-06T12:45:46.207" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1005" PostId="514" Text="@Farseeker oh that made my day :)" CreationDate="2010-08-06T14:44:13.987" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1006" PostId="609" Score="1" Text="As of 7/29/2010 at 10AM EST we had 98 SF users at 3000+ reputation, which are users who can vote to close or migrate a question." CreationDate="2010-08-06T17:09:47.143" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1007" PostId="609" Score="1" Text="@warner Good data! I know when I crossed 3K for the first time I *never* voted to close questions. Didn't want to presume. Now though... that inhibition was worn off ;)" CreationDate="2010-08-06T17:36:12.237" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1008" PostId="603" Text="I'm with ya, there's a LOT the SU users have taught me about PC issues and other home gear.   Things I just don't delve innto at work." CreationDate="2010-08-06T18:15:45.870" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1009" PostId="622" Text="An activity-threshold is a good idea for any proportional system." CreationDate="2010-08-06T19:46:59.573" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1011" PostId="626" Text="Yes Evan, you really need all those extra votes. Seriously though, you do have a knack for this kind of thing and I for one would be happy to see you write something suitable. " CreationDate="2010-08-07T08:21:41.253" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1012" PostId="632" Text="+1, many questions are generic to multiple versions of an OS." CreationDate="2010-08-10T20:27:19.143" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1013" PostId="633" Text="All of the 64bit questions were clear, and that one was easy.  Merged &amp; synonymed to 64-bit.  I agree on the OS+arch items, but I'll save some fun for another day. ;)" CreationDate="2010-08-10T22:00:36.960" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1014" PostId="632" Text="Sounds good. Would it be worth doing an organised scan through of questions with these tags and recategorising if needed?" CreationDate="2010-08-11T03:02:15.637" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="1015" PostId="632" Text="I don't know about those tags specifically, but it is frequently worth reviewing old questions and looking to see if they can be improved." CreationDate="2010-08-11T03:19:07.307" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1016" PostId="630" Text="Tag hierarchy, I like the sound of that." CreationDate="2010-08-11T10:48:44.877" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1017" PostId="633" Score="2" Text="I prefer [32-bit] and [64-bit], because they can be used for either CPU or software questions, whereas [x86] and [x64] are applicable to CPU questions only and are technically inaccurate anyway." CreationDate="2010-08-11T11:49:14.497" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1018" PostId="635" Text="+1 nods, the likely hood of a moderator doing anything nasty when a flag was legitimately related to spam or off-topic question seems extremely unlikely.  If a person was being excessively annoying you would probably get contacted first." CreationDate="2010-08-11T20:12:10.687" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1019" PostId="640" Score="1" Text="Not sure why it's absurd there is an SE site for Ubuntu. That gives users struggling with Ubuntu a designated place to go -- as opposed to spamming their questions here or SU." CreationDate="2010-08-11T23:39:36.473" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1020" PostId="640" Score="2" Text="It sure seems to me that a large majority of Ubuntu use is not for servers.  They may be diluting superuser, but I don't think they are doing much harm to serverfault.  " CreationDate="2010-08-12T00:52:49.040" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1021" PostId="640" Text="&quot;Vendor forums&quot; are usually better utilised in open source projects, but still have the problems of registration and being better suited for discussion than Q&amp;A. I'd hope that Ubuntu Stack Exchange define themselves as &quot;desktop / netbook only&quot; and migrate server questions back to us." CreationDate="2010-08-12T01:14:24.487" UserId="42461" />
  <row Id="1022" PostId="640" Score="2" Text="Ahh I wish it were summer in the southern hemisphere..." CreationDate="2010-08-12T02:21:27.210" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1023" PostId="632" Text="I did much the same thing with the 'suse' tagged questions last week. That's a much, much, smaller list than 'ubuntu' but it made things cleaner." CreationDate="2010-08-12T04:23:09.383" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1024" PostId="639" Text="Ignoring the coding aspect for a moment, I see some real merit in that idea. High rep SO users for instance should be in a pretty good position to determine that a question is more suited to that site. Imagine also if those same users could counter votes by others to move a question that they determine as unsuitable for the move." CreationDate="2010-08-12T11:50:14.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1025" PostId="637" Text="I see most of those ideas as workable in North America but are they really viable on a global scale? A quick look at page 1 users' bios for example reveals we really are quite a mixed bunch." CreationDate="2010-08-12T11:57:25.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1026" PostId="482" Text="@Thomas: maybe we could have a series of &quot;basic-xyz&quot; tags then. `[basic-windows-server] [basic-lamp] ...` Then you could ignore basic-lamp, or even basic-* But that is getting a bit harder to decide the appropriate tags." CreationDate="2010-08-12T13:15:47.830" UserId="629" />
  <row Id="1027" PostId="466" Text="@Zoredache - [CW question about how to grok man pages](http://serverfault.com/questions/169771/how-to-grok-man-pages) - go fill it in. " CreationDate="2010-08-12T13:35:12.340" UserId="629" />
  <row Id="1029" PostId="564" Text="SEO is not fraud, it's called &quot;organic traffic building&quot;. You can acquire good SEO by having well-formed hyperlinks and good and relevant content. Half of it is the exact science of cleaning up broken links, remembering to add meta tags, etc. The other half is the art of being relevant to your niche and giving people reason to link to you. Little of this (but some of it nonetheless) relates to Server Vault. However, none of this has to do with hacking. What you refer to is considered SEO abuse. By the way, I am a developer for a very popular SEO tool. We don't support nor deal with hackers." CreationDate="2010-08-13T04:09:57.653" UserId="17341" />
  <row Id="1030" PostId="645" Score="4" Text="I think mostly we mean &quot;broaden the audience of our peers&quot;, not *literally* professionals" CreationDate="2010-08-13T10:57:42.430" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1031" PostId="644" Text="+1 As far as guest posters go I have always figured this is something I would want to do in the abstract...  So I will start to think about it more concretely. For the layout those are all good points which I am going to add to my ever growing to-do :-)" CreationDate="2010-08-13T13:47:09.593" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1032" PostId="647" Text="Also the original account association post by Jeff: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2508/account-association-between-websites" CreationDate="2010-08-13T21:28:23.910" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1033" PostId="644" Score="1" Text="Well? Well? It's been almost 12 hours since you commented...  :)" CreationDate="2010-08-14T01:36:53.757" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1035" PostId="643" Text="What would you define as a Microsoft MVP?  Why weren't they interested?" CreationDate="2010-08-14T04:27:51.887" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1036" PostId="648" Text="You **can** _use_ basic inline `formatting` in comments.  You can post [links](http://meta.serverfault.com/editing-help) and many other things.  You just have to type the markdown yourself." CreationDate="2010-08-14T20:45:43.503" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1037" PostId="654" Score="5" Text="How can you possibly know who down-voted you since voting is anonymous ?" CreationDate="2010-08-14T20:51:17.097" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1038" PostId="650" Score="4" Text="The biggest problem with both your questions and answer is that they are barely readable.  On questions you answer, you do not appear to understand the question.  On questions you post we do not understand you.  You really need to work improving your English." CreationDate="2010-08-14T21:16:47.550" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1039" PostId="651" Score="1" Text="-1, worthless comment. (see, this is why)" CreationDate="2010-08-14T22:31:31.977" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1040" PostId="649" Text="What you are talking about is not SPAM.  The system handles SPAM very well." CreationDate="2010-08-14T22:55:40.700" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1041" PostId="664" Text="+1 *&quot;But let's be honest - we're human. It also reflects that person's ability to communicate clearly and effectively.&quot;* I would go as far as saying that the ability to communicate clearly and effectively is part of what makes a good sysadmin. If something is unclear or confusing, it could very well cause more damage than good." CreationDate="2010-08-15T00:12:04.837" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1042" PostId="664" Score="4" Text="&quot;Strong written and oral communication skills,&quot; is a line-item on nearly all sysadmin job postings I've ever seen. It's because the datacenter-troll version of sysadmin is not useful for most companies. " CreationDate="2010-08-15T00:29:23.750" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1043" PostId="654" Text="I'm fairly certain he believes that I'm the one downvoting all of his stuff (I'm not)." CreationDate="2010-08-15T04:26:58.673" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1044" PostId="656" Text="Under posts, I did mean all posts - including comments. " CreationDate="2010-08-15T05:32:42.713" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1045" PostId="667" Text="@Ward, plz see Update1." CreationDate="2010-08-15T12:18:07.870" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1046" PostId="668" Text="+1 They are not suppose to be posts, they are suppose to be distinct answers and questions for other people to easily get their answers from." CreationDate="2010-08-15T13:22:37.753" UserId="1463" />
  <row Id="1047" PostId="651" Text="@vgv8 - Zordache isn't a moderator, so he cannot unilaterally close questions and he cannot delete answers at all. Closing a question requires 5 votes from people over 3k reputation." CreationDate="2010-08-15T13:48:05.553" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1048" PostId="670" Text="The question was migrated from stackoverflow, does that point you in the right direction?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T13:49:38.793" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1049" PostId="673" Score="3" Text="It could be nice to have this. Instead of a copy, perhaps something symlink *ish*, so continuing discussion does not fork the question and answers across the meta sites?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:03:33.503" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1050" PostId="651" Score="5" Text="Good god.  Can we please stop feeding the troll?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:03:35.407" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1051" PostId="643" Score="1" Text="I'm a former (1998 to 2008) MVP.&#xA;I think the program is quite tightly focussed on support in tightly defined areas. If answering questions here doesn't count towards one's MVP status and answwering similar questions on the Microsoft forums does, then MVPs will naturally gravitate to the MS forums." CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:21:16.543" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1052" PostId="643" Text="Warner, a Microsoft MVP is someone who has received a yearly award from Microsoft for contributions to the (microsoft based) &quot;community&quot;. Usually answering questions in their forums in much the same way people do here." CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:22:06.190" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1053" PostId="677" Score="5" Text="IMHO, some users need to just move on.  I've pointed vgv8 to the FAQs on several occasions, which has only ended in seemingly frustrating him or her further.  @vgv8 this is not the community you are looking for *waves hand*" CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:49:28.997" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1054" PostId="667" Score="1" Text="It works better if you put your comments on an answer right after the answer, not in the question.  The phrase &quot;Edit 3 in original post&quot; is from your comment on the answer given by Testlabs and edited by GregD." CreationDate="2010-08-15T14:55:15.723" UserId="9570" />
  <row Id="1055" PostId="674" Score="2" Text="@vgv8 I appreciate that you are posting meta questions in the right place now.  Thank you! The goal of Serverfault, StackOverflow, SuperUser and all other StackExchange sites is to build a place where the best questions and answers for a topic can be found. Good posts are created by the whole community (editing, voting) and should be (meta discussion)noise-free." CreationDate="2010-08-15T15:38:31.517" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1056" PostId="667" Text="Yeah, I checked it again, the google search I listed returns a result, and the quoted text is from one of your comments.  As other answers have said, you'd have to look on meta.stackoverflow.com to get more info on what works and doesn't work for searching comments.  Finally (not that I expect you to pay attention), why would you add a comment pointing back changes made to the OP?  Why not make your comments as a comment on the actual answer?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T16:38:05.390" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1057" PostId="674" Text="@vgv8 - In reply to Update2, the revision history is available for everyone to view. It is always made clear if there is more than one revision, and your post will always be shown as the first revision, so people will know you created the content originally. Nobody is trying to take credit from you." CreationDate="2010-08-15T17:15:27.533" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1058" PostId="674" Text="@vgv8 can you please provide a link to an answer you have posted where you believe you are not being shown the revision history." CreationDate="2010-08-15T17:45:53.757" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1059" PostId="674" Score="2" Text="@vgv8 - ALL revisions by *anybody* are tracked. If you edit your post, it will show a revision made by you. If I edit your post, it will show a revision by me. The only exception to this is if you edit your post multiple times within 5 minutes - if you do this, it will show all edits in that 5 minute period as your last revision. If however I edit in between this 5 minute period, it will then show a new revision entry for me, and if you edit subsequently, you will get another revision." CreationDate="2010-08-15T17:55:26.003" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1060" PostId="674" Score="2" Text="It's been obvious for a while (GregD's been pointing out for a couple days at least) that this vgv8 person just likes to argue and isn't trying to make any progress in understanding how SF works.  Maybe we can all just agree to close any future unclear or argumentative questions he posts?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T19:15:05.607" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1061" PostId="680" Text="Requring a comment will not work.  People will just post worthless comments.&#xA;&#xA;http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/651/request-to-prohibit-anonymous-and-without-reason-explanation-downvoting" CreationDate="2010-08-15T21:36:00.930" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1062" PostId="645" Text="@David, I've seen no mention anywhere on SF to say that certifications are a requirement." CreationDate="2010-08-15T22:12:10.267" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1063" PostId="654" Text="From what I've seen, newcomers who ask and answer sensibly and with knowledge don't have a problem with downvotes. Does this give you any clues?" CreationDate="2010-08-15T22:19:43.860" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1064" PostId="674" Score="1" Text="Please, please use the comments (now you have &gt; 50 rep) rather than updating your posts, though you can *always* comment on your own questions and answers to your own questions." CreationDate="2010-08-15T22:21:00.640" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1065" PostId="677" Score="1" Text="Something tells me the Jedi mind trick isn't going to work on this kid. Funny, I thought it worked well on weak minded beings. Maybe you don't have enough midichlorians." CreationDate="2010-08-15T22:40:44.997" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="1067" PostId="676" Text="I believe that there's value in insuring that certain key players in the industry are aware of its existence.  Nevertheless, you do have a legitimate point." CreationDate="2010-08-16T01:26:11.573" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1068" PostId="683" Score="4" Text="You continue to ignore the overarching issue, which is that this site has a specific flow and structure to it. This flow and structure works for almost everyone except you. This will not change to suit you. **The End**" CreationDate="2010-08-16T04:36:28.747" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1070" PostId="651" Score="1" Text="I've voted to close this as pointless noise and can only wonder why others haven't done likewise. This person just keeps posting minor variations of the same thing. Meta should not become his/her personal gripe area." CreationDate="2010-08-16T05:23:58.970" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1071" PostId="687" Score="1" Text="This is not possible. Each user is only allowed 1 downvote per unique question or answer. A single user cannot, under any circumstance, downvote the same thing more than once." CreationDate="2010-08-16T12:44:09.490" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1072" PostId="670" Text="@vgv8 - The question was migrated, because he posted something on SO that was not appropriate for it. He can associate the accounts whenever he likes and begin gaining rep here for it." CreationDate="2010-08-16T12:45:22.863" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1073" PostId="626" Score="2" Text="THIS --&gt; Maybe all licensing questions should be closed as exact duplicates of a single &quot;Who should I talk to about software licensing questions?&quot; question with an accepted answer &lt;-- THIS" CreationDate="2010-08-16T12:57:03.220" UserId="4487" />
  <row Id="1074" PostId="643" Text="Interesting.  Perhaps that's an area where targeted advertising could prove to be particularly valuable." CreationDate="2010-08-16T13:25:04.607" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1075" PostId="693" Text="And of course, once you DO have the hang of it, but still think you have a good change to suggest, you can always post that here, too!" CreationDate="2010-08-16T14:07:10.817" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1076" PostId="686" Text="+1 - this advice will have your account deleted. If you wish to remove all posts, you can delete them yourself. A user is always able to delete his or her own comments or answers. " CreationDate="2010-08-16T14:36:03.010" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1077" PostId="690" Score="8" Text="I'm guessing you were suspended because you appear to be a puppet account of vgv8...am I correct?" CreationDate="2010-08-16T17:10:28.527" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="1078" PostId="686" Score="6" Text="@MarkM, that is not entirely true.  You can not self delete answers once they have have been [accepted](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/14932/allow-author-of-accepted-answer-to-delete-it-in-certain-circumstances).  Although this restriction will not be a problem for vgv8." CreationDate="2010-08-16T20:09:45.303" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1079" PostId="686" Text="@Zordache - Haha! I did not realize that restriction. Thanks for the heads up." CreationDate="2010-08-16T20:11:37.993" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1080" PostId="637" Score="2" Text="I don't know how we can repeat this, but I was just reading the newly released 4th edition of the [UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook](http://www.admin.com/) and serverfault.com is listed as a web-based system admin resource in table 1.5.  " CreationDate="2010-08-16T21:05:51.893" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1081" PostId="695" Text="Can't say that would appeal to me - but I'm upvoting anyway because I can see why it might appeal to others... and if it isn't too expensive to implement might be worthwhile - especially as it presumably only needs to be done once to work for all the SO/SF/SU sites" CreationDate="2010-08-16T22:23:58.733" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1082" PostId="694" Score="2" Text="A site full of Geeks and nobody else thought to Google it? +1 for you. -1 for me." CreationDate="2010-08-16T22:38:12.870" UserId="33118" />
  <row Id="1083" PostId="694" Score="2" Text="Oh look, it's a troll on the Internet.  +1 for proving it." CreationDate="2010-08-16T22:55:15.283" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1084" PostId="695" Score="2" Text="Already exists.  See: http://serverfault.com/users/flair" CreationDate="2010-08-16T23:01:25.730" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1085" PostId="700" Score="5" Text="IMHO - If you are having trouble getting answers from a vendor, find a new vendor who actually wants your money. " CreationDate="2010-08-17T03:26:16.360" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1086" PostId="680" Text="That is why I suggested if they post a &quot;worthless&quot; comment, then allow people to report it and take more than 1 point away (maybe 5?) if it is indeed found to be worthless." CreationDate="2010-08-17T11:52:13.870" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1087" PostId="681" Text="An upvote simply means you agree or like the answer which generally I don't think warrants a comment (ie you wouldn't post &quot;nice post d00d!&quot;), but usually a downvote there is some reason you are downvoting it (wrong answer, incomplete answer) which in that case I think it would be beneficial for not only the SF like sites to know what is wrong about the answer, but to allow the poster to fix it. I mean, if someone downvotes an answer, and someone else discovers it through google or something - how do they know what is wrong with the answer?" CreationDate="2010-08-17T11:56:48.510" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1088" PostId="681" Text="A perfect example of why I would even concise of such a feature is this SF question: http://serverfault.com/questions/170601/170606 for whatever reason someone downvoted me yet the OP posted that the answer was &quot;spot on&quot;." CreationDate="2010-08-17T12:01:54.630" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1089" PostId="705" Score="1" Text="I think you underestimate the power of trolls that be trollin' hard. I never ever edit noise out of people's answers for fear or changing their meaning by accident, but in vgv8's case (which I assume this is about), most of his posts have over a dozen edits and rollbacks and even I've gotten in on the action. He's a super troll, a new breed never before seen." CreationDate="2010-08-17T13:13:43.083" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1091" PostId="699" Text="You might be surprised on the professional organizations, Doug.  Many senior level guys I run into have had or do have some association with some type of professional organization. I'm not sure I agree with the tag ownership concept." CreationDate="2010-08-17T13:26:03.573" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1092" PostId="705" Text="The Internet has seen every sort of troll many years before now.  Different medium, similar methods.  Agreed, Jeff.  While I see the benefit of an ignore feature, it is not something typically applied to this type of medium." CreationDate="2010-08-17T13:27:34.630" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1093" PostId="705" Text="@Warner - I was half joking and I don't support an ignore feature, my point, which I guess was poorly articulated, was that this guy annoying people isn't the fault of the mods. They appeared to do everything they could (as well as other community members) leading up to the ban." CreationDate="2010-08-17T13:33:18.653" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1094" PostId="695" Text="@Warner Thanks, I looked around in the FAQ on SF and SO." CreationDate="2010-08-17T16:08:12.143" UserId="49318" />
  <row Id="1095" PostId="705" Text="I wouldn't use a killfile feature if we had one, because I WANT to see the trolls so I can help stomp on them. I ignore certain *tags* since I don't know diddly about them, but I'd even stop that if I were a full-up moderator." CreationDate="2010-08-17T16:25:13.570" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1096" PostId="709" Text="I actually agree with you.  It was a suggestion, but I've changed my question to reflect the HOF not being recycled to the homepage." CreationDate="2010-08-17T20:01:58.073" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1098" PostId="710" Text="Edited my question to include EAs answer too." CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:01:25.483" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1099" PostId="708" Score="4" Text="&quot;Coolest Server Names&quot; should be added to the Hall of Shame if you ask me. I hate that questions with a seething passion: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/57951/please-lock-this-overused-question" CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:14:45.953" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1101" PostId="681" Text="@Nathan, you've given one example where the downvote was not warranted. This happens. Some people don't read questions or answers, they simply click buttons. Are you also going to get upset when people upvote your answers when that is unwarranted? That happens too, yet nobody ever complains about it. One thing I can tell you, based on observation, the more you complain about downvotes the more likely you are to get them." CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:35:14.297" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1102" PostId="687" Text="How can this suspended user post an answer?" CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:38:42.223" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1103" PostId="708" Text="@Farseeker, I've always wondered why such questions haven't been closed, or simply deleted as off-topic noise." CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:51:15.667" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1104" PostId="706" Text="@Kara, http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/680/quotas-on-downvoting/687#687 appears to have been posted after the suspension. Am I reading things wrong or has the suspension not prevented the post?" CreationDate="2010-08-17T21:56:51.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1105" PostId="708" Text="@John i think it got up to 3 close votes at one point, but that's about it." CreationDate="2010-08-17T22:04:49.187" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1106" PostId="709" Score="2" Text="But I love coming back and seeing my subnetting question on the front page!" CreationDate="2010-08-17T22:46:41.050" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="1107" PostId="711" Text="I meant more of a cross post onthe sidebar not into the main flow of questions and answers. I think it would serve as 'ads' if you will, for the other sites. " CreationDate="2010-08-17T22:56:54.623" UserId="1210" />
  <row Id="1108" PostId="706" Text="He was banned on the main site before meta.  meta was a day about 14 hours later." CreationDate="2010-08-18T00:57:28.663" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1109" PostId="711" Text="@GregD, I'm sure you know how most of us feel about ads, even pseudo ads. I for one don't care what they're selling, as I'm not here to read ads, even if they are for connected sites." CreationDate="2010-08-18T02:46:29.320" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1110" PostId="708" Score="1" Text="Hmmm... Now that there are more 3K users perhaps we should have another crack at getting it closed. That's 2 votes so far..." CreationDate="2010-08-18T02:52:50.920" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1111" PostId="681" Text="Your response intrigues me, I can't tell if it is an attack against me or a rhetorical statement. In any case, your statement of &quot;Some people don't read questions or answers, they simply click buttons.&quot; is exactly the reason why a quota system should be put into place. At least for the people who under a certain rep, are required to post a &quot;useful&quot; comment. I did watch a small portion of a presentation given by one of the creators of the SO system and they wanted to &quot;encourage&quot; a certain behavior with the way the site works and this would defiantly accomplish that goal, would you not agree?" CreationDate="2010-08-18T03:29:49.667" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1112" PostId="708" Text="Oo oo ooo it's @4 now ... common ONE MORE kind soul ... plleeeeaaassseee (i'm patching right now ... little loopy)" CreationDate="2010-08-18T04:06:27.523" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1113" PostId="708" Text="It was Jeff himself who cast the final vote. :)" CreationDate="2010-08-18T08:49:14.113" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1114" PostId="708" Score="2" Text="Some of those questions make me very sad that I can't cast a normal user-vote.  Mod-hammering in those cases is *SO* not worth the fallout." CreationDate="2010-08-18T13:21:32.733" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1115" PostId="687" Text="I believe this was prior to their meta suspension, which was 2-ish days after the SF suspension" CreationDate="2010-08-18T13:33:36.913" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1116" PostId="715" Score="2" Text="+1 for following the windows dash *something* convention." CreationDate="2010-08-18T19:00:23.990" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1117" PostId="715" Text="Yep, we can mass tag.  I lean toward consistent tags, so I'd go with the hypens, too.  But I'll hold off a bit to make sure there are no brilliant arguments for keeping a different tag." CreationDate="2010-08-18T19:23:41.910" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1119" PostId="673" Text="I suppose I could just re-ask a pile of questions with the [faq] tag on MSO, but that seems clunky." CreationDate="2010-08-18T20:20:50.553" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1120" PostId="714" Text="Thanks!  Synonyms are my favorite feature since the upvote." CreationDate="2010-08-18T20:55:14.083" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1121" PostId="708" Text="@John - I'm constantly clicking to clsoe that question, and typical, when it finally happens I missed and now I'm not listed in the close voters :( Oh well." CreationDate="2010-08-19T01:45:03.517" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1122" PostId="708" Text="@Farseeker, that is unfortunate because I know how much you would like to be listed but at least it's finally closed (at least until some drongos re-open it)." CreationDate="2010-08-19T01:52:50.657" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1123" PostId="708" Text="@Farseeker  You can still vote to delete :)" CreationDate="2010-08-19T02:53:23.700" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1124" PostId="708" Text="@Zypher, I've never noticed the delete option before (my vote has been registered). Is that a 10K thing?" CreationDate="2010-08-19T11:11:27.843" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1125" PostId="715" Text="Did it this way. This is the answer to accept IMO." CreationDate="2010-08-19T11:21:01.757" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1126" PostId="719" Score="3" Text="I think these are not so productive and will lead to lots of 'noise'.  However, rephrased 'What to consider when choosing a VPS provider' might lead to more productive results." CreationDate="2009-05-27T12:23:36.640" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1127" PostId="720" Score="4" Text="These are sometimes very useful from an administrators point of view, but usually only from the personal server administration, rather than the work server administration. Still valid, IMO, but should be community wiki rather than reputation earning questions, since it's essentially a poll." CreationDate="2009-05-27T09:41:43.820" />
  <row Id="1128" PostId="720" Text="Slicehost was recommended to me and I use it at work - we don't necessarily want everything hosted in-house." CreationDate="2009-05-27T12:53:59.613" />
  <row Id="1129" PostId="720" Score="1" Text="Agree with Kyle's comment on the NO side .. I like discussions around criteria and considerations and don't want to see bunches of &quot;xyz is great!&quot; nonsense." CreationDate="2009-06-09T21:33:20.707" UserId="846" />
  <row Id="1130" PostId="721" Score="8" Text="This should be community wiki." CreationDate="2009-05-05T16:38:30.163" />
  <row Id="1131" PostId="721" Score="1" Text="This seems so far to be a linguistic question.  Or are you just saying that &quot;IT&quot; is perhaps a poor choice of words in the FAQ?  ;)  (which may be true)" CreationDate="2009-05-22T17:43:08.863" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1132" PostId="722" Text="That seems to be about the size of it, but I am sure there is attempted creep into other areas.. &quot;can you hang this picture for me&quot; is a recent favourite :)" CreationDate="2009-06-09T16:15:32.733" />
  <row Id="1133" PostId="723" Text="Reminds me of the use of the word, &quot;diet,&quot; which has a couple different meanings and one tends to be the default." CreationDate="2009-05-28T14:33:31.830" />
  <row Id="1134" PostId="723" Score="1" Text="Well, &quot;hackers&quot; in the old ages ment people who chopped down trees." CreationDate="2009-05-28T15:11:27.420" />
  <row Id="1135" PostId="723" Text="So a development department isn't part of the &quot;IT Department&quot;? Strange. I've never worked at or heard of a company that has a group of developers (or even just one developer) that wasn't considered part of the IT department either by the IT Dept. itself or users outside of the IT department." CreationDate="2009-07-15T01:25:20.633" />
  <row Id="1136" PostId="723" Text="Also cultural. For some IT means the systems and their management. Software development means creating new bugs to annoy the users. For me, software developers are users of IT but are not in themselves a part of IT, much like an author is not part of the printing industry." CreationDate="2009-07-30T22:27:33.727" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1137" PostId="708" Text="@John- ya, it's a 10k" CreationDate="2010-08-19T16:15:44.047" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1138" PostId="706" Text="I've read all the comments in the MSO links, I can see how flagging is more useful.  Thanks," CreationDate="2010-08-19T17:17:41.527" UserId="49318" />
  <row Id="1139" PostId="719" Text="The selection of a host is primarily a business decision, although it should go without saying that IT should have serious input into that decision. I see hosting as little more an IT matter than choosing a car to drive to and from work. OTOH, I agree with Kyle's comment." CreationDate="2010-08-19T22:23:45.037" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1140" PostId="723" Text="Well when people at the average firm &quot;call IT&quot; they call the public face of the IT department, which will usually be the helpdesk." CreationDate="2010-08-19T22:23:58.047" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1141" PostId="708" Score="1" Text="I voted to delete. It now needs only 207 more delete votes to succeed! I would love to see the &quot;Deleted By x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x...x&quot; notice, except I don't think deleted questions get that..." CreationDate="2010-08-21T21:43:58.157" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1144" PostId="708" Text="Make that 206 delete votes needed...." CreationDate="2010-08-21T22:58:16.807" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1146" PostId="739" Score="1" Text="Arguing about your bans is not helping you at all.  If you are really interested in learning then don't start with an accusation like 'moderators abusing rules'.  " CreationDate="2010-08-23T17:22:50.523" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1147" PostId="740" Text="I asked about new bans from 08/22 and you are telling me about Email from 08/13. I insist that there was not a single Email with warning or notification about new bans and extension of old ones." CreationDate="2010-08-23T17:27:51.943" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1148" PostId="739" Text="I am not arguing. I am just really bewildered what you are up to with it?" CreationDate="2010-08-23T17:29:06.970" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1149" PostId="740" Text="Even more, my Email to team@xxxx.com had not got a single answer. BTW, I had no discussions AT ALL in SO, why the ban for month duration there?" CreationDate="2010-08-23T17:33:34.177" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1150" PostId="739" Score="3" Text="@vgv8, your tone is consistently accusatory. Zoredache isn't even a moderator, yet you just specifically called him out with &quot;what *you* are up to&quot;. It's become extraordinarily obvious you have plenty of learning to do, but you rarely approach these opportunities with an open mind/attitude. We don't take issue with what you say nearly as much as how you say it." CreationDate="2010-08-23T18:39:59.817" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1151" PostId="740" Score="2" Text="@vgv8, you'll have to ask the SO team about the ban there; the sites have separate moderators." CreationDate="2010-08-23T18:41:49.253" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1152" PostId="708" Text="205 now. Why does it require so many votes? There are just not that many 10K users yet and probably won't be for another couple of years. Seems rather pointless even having an option that cannot be applied." CreationDate="2010-08-23T21:56:34.590" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1153" PostId="740" Text="@Chris_S, how to ask if I am banned from MSO and team@stackoverflow.com had never responded even once. I have feeling that it is a black hole dump Email. " CreationDate="2010-08-23T22:38:41.490" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1154" PostId="739" Text="@Chris S, not being moderator did not stop Zoredache from closing and delete quite a lot of my posts. If she does not have any influence on things then why to interfere at all?" CreationDate="2010-08-23T22:43:03.990" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1155" PostId="739" Score="1" Text="@vgv8 - He cannot close or delete anything by himself. Closing requires 5 non-moderator votes from users over 3000 rep and deleting closed questions takes 5 non-moderator votes from users over 10,000 rep." CreationDate="2010-08-23T23:13:10.967" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1156" PostId="740" Text="@vgv8 - Perhaps you should take the hint?" CreationDate="2010-08-24T00:36:19.737" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1157" PostId="743" Score="1" Text="Dude is trolling. Leave him be." CreationDate="2010-08-24T11:13:12.693" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1158" PostId="687" Text="@MarkM; technically there's a known bug that if you vote before a question is migrated to another site, you can vote again on the new site; but it's still limited to a theoretical 3 votes, and only on questions." CreationDate="2010-08-24T16:01:56.360" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1159" PostId="626" Text="For most licensing questions, like the example, they should be closed as too localized. The circumstances surrounding the licensing question are simply not relevant to the Internet community at large (usually). Some questions however can be answered by people around SF, and are generic enough to be of use to the community. I do agree we could use a nice write up thoroughly explaining &quot;contact the vendor because your situation is probably too unique to be useful to other people&quot;." CreationDate="2010-08-24T16:07:17.307" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1160" PostId="673" Text="@JScott, +10000 symlink the questions!" CreationDate="2010-08-24T16:29:26.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1161" PostId="654" Text="@GregD, there's probably a few of us he thinks are downvoting him who haven't actually done it a single time... like those who comment/answer his &quot;questions&quot;." CreationDate="2010-08-24T16:32:45.703" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1162" PostId="740" Text="@vgv8 team@stackoverflow is most certainly not a black hole.  I've received a reply to each message that I've sent over to them, usually within an hour or two of sending.  Your account is not (currently) suspended on MSO.  You can post there, but I highly recommend keeping it to an email with the team at this point.  If you have not received a response then try again, and be civil in your communication with them." CreationDate="2010-08-24T21:25:47.340" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1163" PostId="745" Score="1" Text="Working for a shoe-string department with no training/conference budget (first over the side when the budget cuts arrived) means I don't know diddly about what the good conferences are." CreationDate="2010-08-24T21:33:44.433" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1164" PostId="745" Text="I sympathize.  I've been having to focus more on local events myself over the past couple years." CreationDate="2010-08-24T21:43:27.267" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1165" PostId="745" Text="What part of the world are you asking about? I think you may have forgotten that this is a global web site." CreationDate="2010-08-25T04:53:53.293" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1166" PostId="737" Text="Of course that's of very limited use to those who work in different timezones." CreationDate="2010-08-25T04:55:49.973" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1167" PostId="752" Score="4" Text="as long as they're *aware* of it, I think that's the goal -- whether they like it or not isn't really up to us. Awareness is where it's at." CreationDate="2010-08-25T07:53:48.493" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1168" PostId="737" Score="1" Text="@John Gardeniers: Pfft... only if you *sleep*..." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:05:13.790" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1170" PostId="745" Text="If you have a conference in Australia to recommend that is of the appropriate level of significance within our profession, I am certain that it would be worth considering as well, John.  People travel all over the world for notable events." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:19:06.367" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1171" PostId="753" Score="1" Text="I think you're confusing the methods with spam.  It is more analogous to networking." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:20:41.793" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1172" PostId="750" Text="I think you are overestimating how far Server Fault has proliferated.  More professionals than not I speak to are unaware of it and I think the average skill level demonstrated on the site speaks to this as well.  I am sorry that you are offended, as that was certainly not my intent." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:22:49.027" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1173" PostId="754" Text="Totally a good idea.  I'd mentioned SF to some people on a channel there a couple months ago, they seemed to be interested.  Could you do the same in channels you participate in when the opportunity arises?" CreationDate="2010-08-25T17:27:37.140" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1174" PostId="755" Score="1" Text="Very cool.  We'll definitely have to meet up!" CreationDate="2010-08-25T18:10:15.413" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1175" PostId="755" Text="I'll be the guy in the black Server Fault t-shirt... &gt;smile&lt;  Yeah-- I look forward to meeting you. (I don't actually look like a unicorn. It occurs to me that my real picture hasn't been on the site since April. I should probably remedy that sometime.)" CreationDate="2010-08-25T18:44:53.470" UserId="7200" />
  <row Id="1176" PostId="680" Text="Nathan - and then you're into defining  what &quot;worthless&quot; means. If you disagree with a downvote or the comment justifying it does that make the downvote &quot;worthless&quot;? What if I disagree with you? Good luck making that one work." CreationDate="2010-08-25T22:06:31.943" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1177" PostId="745" Text="Yeah well, I'm not actually aware of such an event in Australia. At least not one I'd travel more than a 100Km to attend." CreationDate="2010-08-26T02:55:04.400" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1178" PostId="743" Text="Not a very good troll then" CreationDate="2010-08-26T04:39:18.643" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1179" PostId="756" Text="See [What is a “closed” question?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/10582/what-is-a-closed-question)" CreationDate="2010-08-26T06:21:22.360" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1180" PostId="740" Text="@squillman, And I do not have any response from team@stackoverflow in 3 weeks. I had never been notifies about new suspensions. I " CreationDate="2010-08-26T07:36:36.447" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1181" PostId="743" Text="I am IT professional with 25 yrs of exp who manage and maintain computers in professional capacity" CreationDate="2010-08-26T07:40:22.907" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1182" PostId="743" Text="@Farseeker, coming from your hijacking comments in http://serverfault.com/questions/174196/workgroup-windows-users-or-groups-can-use-domain-accounts-but-not-vice-versa. How did you determine that I did not read up before posting? Give me your Email and I send you my online transcripts and credentials" CreationDate="2010-08-26T07:52:37.433" UserId="47886" />
  <row Id="1183" PostId="758" Score="2" Text="OK, in the context of any other user I suppose that makes sense." CreationDate="2010-08-26T10:17:56.647" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1184" PostId="757" Score="1" Text="Some people can be taught. Others can learn on their own. This one absolutely excels at being neither. :(" CreationDate="2010-08-26T10:20:49.690" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1185" PostId="756" Text="As @Zoredache states in his answer locking or deleting would be the way to go.  I think this particular question is beyond locking.  It's a big enough mess that I'd vote to completely torch it." CreationDate="2010-08-26T12:43:48.290" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1186" PostId="757" Text="@John - he's still at it: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/742/why-was-the-question-on-dev-server-setup-moved-to-su/743#743" CreationDate="2010-08-26T23:20:24.620" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1187" PostId="745" Text="@John @Warner - maybe this is an oppertunity to start one? I wouldn't mind spending a weekend at Noosa ;) (Or perhaps somewhere more affordable, if we must)." CreationDate="2010-08-27T02:20:33.620" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1188" PostId="759" Text="Can you post a screenshot?" CreationDate="2010-08-27T09:05:17.510" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1189" PostId="759" Score="3" Text="At that point, I just scroll down... I see a scroll bar on the right..." CreationDate="2010-08-27T13:35:25.327" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1190" PostId="759" Score="1" Text="Hundreds of posts? I see 25 questions and 36 answers as of this writing. That looks like &lt; 100 to me. You may very well have hundreds of edits - but this is partially where your downvotes come from. You consider an edit to a post a new post, when really edits were never intended to add content, but rather to add clarity and fix typographical errors." CreationDate="2010-08-27T14:24:59.690" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1191" PostId="760" Text="That's often what I do, use an external editor.  I didn't really think about it until you mentioned it." CreationDate="2010-08-27T16:34:59.797" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1194" PostId="765" Text="How does the troll tag not have a wiki entry?" CreationDate="2010-08-29T12:24:29.470" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1195" PostId="765" Text="@MarkM - what would the text say? Simply **vgv8**? :-)" CreationDate="2010-08-29T12:26:23.447" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1196" PostId="754" Text="unhappyly it seems from my attempts only people that were still learning or looking for help came thru ehehe ... but i will keep tryingto some extent." CreationDate="2010-08-29T16:42:16.090" UserId="45278" />
  <row Id="1197" PostId="719" Text="Instead of having people to ask about it, make a nice FAQ with list of known and most used hosts that will serve in general by everyone and has a majority votes (by majority votes i mean the hosts that have most recommendations instead of spamming unknown and any kinda of host company) by the head users of SF Meta. Divided in sections such as VPS, CLOUD, HOSTING, DEDICATED, CO-LOCATION, etc." CreationDate="2010-08-29T16:46:12.460" UserId="45278" />
  <row Id="1198" PostId="765" Score="4" Text="I'm a little uncomfortable with this - isn't the definition of a troll subjective? And couldn't someone determined to troll a site just register a few sockpuppets and carry on? &#xA;&#xA;It's clear that they disagree with the way the site is run in some areas, and their kicking against those boundaries annoys us but does that make them nothing but a troll." CreationDate="2010-08-29T16:54:25.790" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1199" PostId="765" Score="3" Text="OK, the word troll aside - vgv8 is still irritating a LOT of people, generating a lot of moderator flags, not contributing anything beneficial to the site and being a general nuisance - all after being warned about his behaviour, and suspended twice. I'd go as far as IP banning him (provided he isn't on some ISP using DHCP). At the end of the day, call him a troll, call him something else - it all boils down to him being a pain in the ass." CreationDate="2010-08-29T17:30:15.677" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1200" PostId="765" Text="@Ben: Are you saying that [pain-in-the-ass] should be a tag synonym for [troll] or vice-versa?" CreationDate="2010-08-29T18:35:58.880" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1201" PostId="765" Text="@Robert - He has made sockpuppets. Those have been banned as well." CreationDate="2010-08-29T19:08:10.200" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1203" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="Sure, &quot;troll&quot; and &quot;trolling&quot; are somewhat subjective, but I think most would agree that someone is trolling when the main intent of their post is to get a reaction.  They might be being deliberately obtuse, or posting stuff they know is bogus, and a number of other things would qualify.  We could debate which posts of vgvh's are examples of which type of &quot;trying to get a reaction,&quot; but I think there's a clear pattern of posting things that don't make sense unless the goal is to get a reaction." CreationDate="2010-08-29T19:53:52.257" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1204" PostId="765" Text="@Mark - Oh I know about the sockpuppets. Kinda makes the point about whether or not a ban is worthwhile doesn't it? The guy has problems, there's no doubt about that. The question I'm leading up to is whether or not he's so poisoned the well that we're unwilling to give him a chance and see everything he does through that lens. Totally his own fault, I agree, but that path leads to the site being dominated by cliques." CreationDate="2010-08-29T21:29:09.503" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1205" PostId="765" Text="Ward, I've been quite active in down voting and voting to close poor questions from this person. I'm not defending their posts as much as I am wondering two things. See my reply to Mark for the first rather than me repeating myself, and for the second... how do you deal with a determined troll? Would a ban solve the issue?" CreationDate="2010-08-29T21:32:39.843" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1206" PostId="765" Score="4" Text="My question to everyone is this - are you monitoring his account and downvoting everything he posts? If so, then that's also an abuse of the system as well (following someone for the express purpose of up/down voting their answers), so be careful where you tread." CreationDate="2010-08-29T21:34:10.607" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1207" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="@Robert - Well, he is working on his second ban here, and is currently serving a 30-day over at SU and MSU as well as having previously served a ban at MSO. He's been boxed on every site and hasn't learned and is now on his second ban." CreationDate="2010-08-29T21:38:00.473" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1208" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="He's banned until Oct 13 on SF and MSF." CreationDate="2010-08-29T23:06:14.667" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1209" PostId="769" Score="5" Text="If we cater to abusive users, irrespective of what you want to call their behavior, we're degrading the quality of the site as a whole.  I see no reason to attempt to justify their behavior, as they are not providing a positive contribution to the site.  There is no need for this to be a contentious subject.  A 5% positive contribution does not negate the other 95%." CreationDate="2010-08-29T23:09:07.387" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1210" PostId="769" Text="@Warner - you don't have to cater to him if you don't want to. Just ignore him. I'm actually a tad annoyed because he allegedly had an answer to a long-outstanding question I have on SF and now I'll never know what it was. Of course, he could have just been pulling my tail but I'm trusting like that." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:13:17.063" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1211" PostId="769" Text="Even if they're not always trolling, someone who - like vgv8 - is willing to spend the time it takes them to argue with everyone is a big distraction." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:15:17.147" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1212" PostId="769" Score="2" Text="In addendum, I really, really don't want this place (Meta, that is) to be like MSO when I first started participating there. I felt like an outsider, that nobody gave a shit and they were all running around in their own private space and refused to acknowledge outsiders. It's different there now, but I die a little bit inside each time I see something like that happen here." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:15:19.443" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1213" PostId="769" Score="1" Text="I did ignore him for the most part.  Again, his behavior does not justify his continued presence.  I think you're getting off track here.  Everyone's not entitled to participate." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:21:06.427" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1214" PostId="769" Text="Fair enough. My point was that I don't believe he's being deliberately malicious, and I don't believe he's trolling, because if he is he's the most advanced version of a troll I've ever seen. I believe his behaviour is mostly innocent, and thus deserves more than once chance. This site is totally different to any other forum on the intertron so it might take a while for new users to wrap their head around. Hell, I've even chastised him myself. But I don't believe anything he's done is in malice and thus doesn't deserve a lifelong ban (yet)." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:24:38.640" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1215" PostId="769" Text="You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it.  In this case, I disagree.  Hopefully if he returns on Oct 13, he demonstrates behavior deserving of your understanding." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:27:21.380" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1216" PostId="769" Text="@Warner - I hope he does too. I'm inclined to agree with what you didn't say, and that is that he probably won't. But let's wait and see. If he continues like this on his third chance, **then** I will agree with you." CreationDate="2010-08-30T00:30:07.443" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1217" PostId="769" Score="3" Text="Not everyone can ignore him though. His answers are generally full of inaccurate info which could be harmful to users that are used to this site containing useful and generally responsible answers. A single downvote seems to send him into a tirade, nevermind explaining why." CreationDate="2010-08-30T02:46:21.170" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1218" PostId="769" Text="@MarkM - there's two distinct issues in your comment: 1) Bad answers. These are already taken care of with downvotes by the community. Nothing to be done here. 2) Emotional responses to said downvotes. This is part of the reason why he's in the sinbin I'm guessing, so let's see if his attitude changes in the future." CreationDate="2010-08-30T03:49:13.650" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1219" PostId="770" Score="5" Text="I think the main problem I have is not whether he is trolling, it is the fact that he will best plain wrong answers, but when corrected will react angrily to this, if he would admit he is wrong and take it graciously, and be willing to learn then I would have a lot more time for him. " CreationDate="2010-08-30T08:26:16.597" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1220" PostId="770" Text="@sam I completely agree" CreationDate="2010-08-30T11:50:01.837" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1221" PostId="769" Text="@Farseeker - Not really, it's one problem, since with him they are bundled together. You're right that with a normal user these are two separate problems. Part of SF is trying to explain to people where they are wrong so that they can have a better understanding going forward, or at the very least so that the OP understands why a specific answer is wrong. This is impossible to do with vgv8, due to his attitude. This can lead down two roads - 1)No one responds to him and the OP thinks his advice is correct. 2)People respond to him and he starts a verbal battle." CreationDate="2010-08-30T12:49:29.247" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1222" PostId="770" Text="I hate the idea of locking someone out of the site.  But it's a better option than driving away multiple people with incorrect information and unexplainable rage.  Sometimes the cost is just too high." CreationDate="2010-08-30T17:16:11.073" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1223" PostId="773" Score="3" Text="I think the point was, if you call yourself a professional you should know that Windows includes some downgrade rights (and where to look up the details). And the really tricky questions are likely to be of no value to 99.99% of people coming to the site because the details are too specific to the person asking the question. Most licensing questions come from people who should be asking their Technical Support (vendor, internal staff, or consultant)." CreationDate="2010-08-30T20:30:46.077" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1224" PostId="770" Text="@Kara completely agree there as well.  I hate creating the air of exclusivity that comes with suspension, even timed suspensions.  But like you hint at, there is still the fact that the community has a standard of acceptable behavior. " CreationDate="2010-08-30T22:18:35.540" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1225" PostId="745" Text="@Farseeker, other than the Sage-AU conference (in Hobart this year) what else is there?" CreationDate="2010-08-31T00:34:04.973" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1226" PostId="765" Text="It's worth noting that anyone systematically downvoting ANY user is wasting their time, as the system will detect that behaviour and automatically and quietly reverse such votes. I don't know if the same applies to close votes though." CreationDate="2010-08-31T00:52:12.853" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1227" PostId="745" Text="@John - no idea, when I started this job I was promised the oppertunity to go to conferences and courses to brush up on my skills but 5 years later the job interview was the only time it was mentioned ;)" CreationDate="2010-08-31T01:58:44.997" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1228" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="@John and @Farseeker - I don't think the issue is that anyone is following him to downvote, but the number of edits he makes causes his questions and answers to be on the front page a lot. Many of his questions would receive 1 or 2 downvotes if they were from any other user, as most of us would look at it and feel like the people that voted before us took care of it and we would quietly move on. With vgv8, the problem is that his questions are always very visible and his confrontational attitude is one that causes people to &quot;pile on&quot; with the downvotes when they might normally just move on." CreationDate="2010-08-31T02:09:48.547" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1229" PostId="680" Text="I'm not understanding the hostility here. Seems like meta is a 180 version of the respected site. In any case, I think there is a &quot;lost in translation&quot; going on here. So, lets say you downvote and are required to post a comment, and its like &quot;I disagree&quot;. If X people downvote it, a &quot;Bad Comment&quot; button appears, and people will be able to flag it as such. You can disagree with me all you want, you can only downvote once. The only way I can see this &quot;fail&quot; is if you get a group of friends to downvote me as well. Disagreeing with someone is ok, but not creating a constructive response is foolish." CreationDate="2010-08-31T02:22:37.557" UserId="23932" />
  <row Id="1230" PostId="765" Text="Addendum: I can't believe the [troll] tag has stuck around this long. Someone please wiki. Anyone? Bueller? " CreationDate="2010-08-31T03:25:34.383" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1232" PostId="759" Text="@vgv8, it's a problem when an &quot;IT professional&quot; such as yourself doesn't even comprehend the concept of scrollbars." CreationDate="2010-08-31T07:55:21.210" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1233" PostId="765" Text="FYI - he is banned on MSO until February now" CreationDate="2010-08-31T11:53:21.203" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1234" PostId="773" Score="2" Text="While I agree, this argument is getting close to the realm of &quot;I can Google that in 2 minutes&quot;. I've spent hours pouring over licensing documents from Microsoft because no one else at my job would. Sometimes even finding the answer to a simple question can be difficult when faced with the pages of documentation Microsoft has on it. We're not dealing with only the seasoned vets of the licensing world here, a lot of SF users will be seeing it for the first time. It's complex stuff and I don't mind helping people with the easier aspects of it." CreationDate="2010-08-31T15:05:58.397" UserId="5257" />
  <row Id="1235" PostId="775" Text="I see Zoredache has made the synonym requests. Time to start voting." CreationDate="2010-08-31T16:39:31.107" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1236" PostId="777" Text="Thanks! ` ` ` `" CreationDate="2010-08-31T16:59:35.247" UserId="24743" />
  <row Id="1237" PostId="777" Text="Go Vote People!" CreationDate="2010-08-31T18:58:21.923" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1238" PostId="776" Score="3" Text="There are now zero using `mysqladministrator`.  I'm stuck on hold with a vendor's support rep... " CreationDate="2010-08-31T19:43:16.637" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1239" PostId="776" Text="Thanks!  Looks like you took care of them both." CreationDate="2010-08-31T20:23:41.473" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1240" PostId="765" Score="1" Text="Which looks like is a result of this: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/62743/when-my-account-is-suspended-and-im-addressed-in-a-comment-please-notify-the-us swim with the big sharks, get eaten." CreationDate="2010-08-31T20:30:16.663" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1241" PostId="776" Text="Not a problem, I was bored. Back on hold... ..ugh. :)" CreationDate="2010-08-31T20:42:45.237" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1242" PostId="773" Text="@Dynamo, why are you pouring through those documents? You should be contacting one of the Microsoft licensing partners for that. They have the expertise you and I cannot be expected to have in such a complex and often localised area. That's the whole point we're trying to make here." CreationDate="2010-08-31T21:39:43.433" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1243" PostId="779" Text="mysql and mysqld are largely synonymous  in the context of the tag for all intents and purpose.  I do not see the value in separating them.  mysqladministrator tagged questions were all over the board and not pertaining mysqladmin." CreationDate="2010-09-01T01:35:08.723" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1244" PostId="779" Score="1" Text="Having a tag for every potential binary with UNIX software will have little benefit in most cases." CreationDate="2010-09-01T01:43:26.417" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1245" PostId="779" Text="@John: I appreciate your concern. I believe [mysqld] is synonymous with [mysql] and also [mysql-server].  The management interface tool &quot;MySQL Administrator&quot; has been EOL since 2009-12-18.  The replacement is known as &quot;Database Administrator&quot;.  Perhaps a tag for the management suite that is more appropriate? [mysql-workbench]?" CreationDate="2010-09-01T01:51:17.990" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1246" PostId="780" Score="3" Text="Enjoy the IP ban that is all but inevitable now." CreationDate="2010-09-01T11:11:39.110" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1247" PostId="765" Text="Based on that it looks like pizdets is vgv8's latest user name." CreationDate="2010-09-01T11:24:44.667" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1248" PostId="781" Text="Going over various posts I'm starting to think vgv8/pizdets is more than one person. Some posts are in fairly good English, whereas others are little more than gibberish. I'm wondering whether it's a group of people, only some of who can speak reasonable English, working together to make a nuisance of themselves just for kicks. In the meantime these sites suffer." CreationDate="2010-09-01T11:32:47.650" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1249" PostId="781" Text="He's also bitching about the trilogy on other forums - if you Google for Vgv8, you'll see he has hit a bunch of MSDN groups asking questions, with links to the same question on SO/SF where he didn't get answers that he liked." CreationDate="2010-09-01T15:47:41.077" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="1250" PostId="765" Text="And pizdets got the ban-hammer too." CreationDate="2010-09-01T16:00:14.800" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1251" PostId="777" Text="Done gone in an' voted." CreationDate="2010-09-01T16:16:31.890" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1252" PostId="784" Text="Another place it is commonly used is Chrome/Firefox bookmarks." CreationDate="2010-09-01T16:30:57.513" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1253" PostId="773" Text="Maybe it's just my corporate structure where I work then. I work for the government and as far as I can tell there isn't one place where I've been able to go for this info. I had to figure it out for myself. People come and ask me stuff about it now. It's annoying but that's just how it played out at my job. I still think that not all licensing questions are as localized as people here are implying. There's some very quick and dirty licensing questions that can be applied almost anywhere. The rest should go to the vendor." CreationDate="2010-09-01T16:45:47.397" UserId="5257" />
  <row Id="1254" PostId="786" Text="Synonym needs 2 more votes: http://serverfault.com/tags/f5-big-ip/synonyms" CreationDate="2010-09-01T20:18:12.940" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1255" PostId="683" Text="To answer your question, at the bottom of every page is a link to the CC-Wiki license that all visitors are subject to (authors and readers). Your &quot;contributions&quot; to this site, like most sites, is a derivation of free public speech; and once you have made that speech public, it is the public's right to hear it (including as altered by others). So no you can't revoke what has been posted; you have willing submitted to it being edited by others; others have the same author rights as well; and everyone retains the right to not read an author's writings." CreationDate="2010-09-01T20:32:23.857" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1256" PostId="787" Text="+1 yup, good call" CreationDate="2010-09-01T21:20:00.917" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1257" PostId="787" Text="I agree, I think I may have even proposed or upvoted that synonym.  I remember thinking that it probably should have been the other way around.  " CreationDate="2010-09-01T22:02:54.483" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1258" PostId="765" Text="@sys - Unless I am mistaken, that translates to &quot;pussies.&quot; Can we start agreeing that he *is* actually trolling?" CreationDate="2010-09-01T22:55:23.017" UserId="10472" />
  <row Id="1259" PostId="765" Text="@sysadmin1138 - he was banned from MSO after a confrontational post that's since been deleted. I think 6 months is a bit harsh, but hey, I don't make the rules." CreationDate="2010-09-01T23:07:54.727" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1260" PostId="765" Text="@Farseeker, considering the number of times he's been banned already; and has defied those bans through sock-puppets; escalating the time frame to 6 months seems appropriate. " CreationDate="2010-09-02T00:21:14.710" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1262" PostId="765" Text="@Chris - I wasn't aware he was making sockpuppets till I read his post below. 6 months sound quite fair now." CreationDate="2010-09-02T05:11:55.423" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1263" PostId="789" Score="5" Text="After separation perhaps mac should become mac-address to eliminate confusion." CreationDate="2010-09-02T05:45:49.610" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1264" PostId="781" Text="@mfinni, it must be difficult for one perfect individual to have to live on the same planet as the rest of us. ;)" CreationDate="2010-09-02T05:49:10.583" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1265" PostId="765" Text="Yeeeeaaaaah. He's crossed the line into &quot;stick around to annoy the crap out of us&quot; territory. a.k.a. Trolling." CreationDate="2010-09-02T16:57:54.770" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1266" PostId="765" Text="Ok, I'll say he's crossing the line into trolling territory now. I agreed with the whole of sysadmin1138's post below as to where I think he's coming from but it's clear that VGV8 doesn't react in a constructive way to criticism. There comes a point where you have to cut your losses with someone." CreationDate="2010-09-02T19:19:08.197" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1268" PostId="792" Score="1" Text="Haha beat you by 18 seconds. Your answer was better though." CreationDate="2010-09-03T05:05:08.090" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1269" PostId="783" Text=";-) I hadn't even noticed it till reading this. +1 to FAQ" CreationDate="2010-09-03T08:50:03.363" UserId="35383" />
  <row Id="1270" PostId="793" Score="1" Text="I think you're asking about the [tag synonym feature](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2779/could-the-tagging-system-be-enhanced-to-support-tag-synonyms). Most of the SE engine functionality discussion takes place on [MSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com).  These features eventually trickle-down to the other SE sites." CreationDate="2010-09-03T15:18:46.707" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1271" PostId="686" Text="That's too funny, Zoredache!  +1, and Bravo!" CreationDate="2010-09-03T15:56:29.317" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1272" PostId="780" Text="Update: I am not vgv8.  No sir, I am a completely different person who has never met him but thinks he is a Lord Among Men and SysAds and Other Techinikal peeple.  He is da bomb.  Nope, no astroturfing here.  --Signed: NotASockPuppet" CreationDate="2010-09-03T16:07:29.203" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1273" PostId="787" Text="Reversed the apt /apt-get synonym, but I'll leave the other apt synonym variations to you pros in the area." CreationDate="2010-09-03T21:53:16.060" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1274" PostId="789" Score="1" Text="Now we just need a feature to black-hole a tag (the way [subjective] was perma-killed) so people are forced to use, say, mac-address or mac-os... Or did that go in and I was snoozing that day?" CreationDate="2010-09-03T21:59:02.167" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1275" PostId="793" Text="@gWaldo: Not sure why you got -1. Maybe someone thinks your answer should have been a comment?" CreationDate="2010-09-03T22:58:21.437" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1276" PostId="793" Text="@jscott Thank you for the insight and input.  I'll take a look at those references.  I have been in both metas but lost track of which one I was in." CreationDate="2010-09-04T23:41:55.093" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1277" PostId="796" Text="http://careeroverflow.com/ -- the site was started with the original model." CreationDate="2010-09-05T03:16:34.483" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1279" PostId="797" Text="I think you're dramatically oversimplifying. There are things that are unique to system administration that can be communicated in a resume format. Furthermore, telecommuting seems like on topic... http://serverfault.com/search?q=telecommute" CreationDate="2010-09-05T21:55:38.473" UserId="919" />
  <row Id="1280" PostId="737" Text="@john but the chat room is stateful, so assuming there aren't thousands of messages per hour (depends on the room) hopefully people will be scrolling back and checking to answer." CreationDate="2010-09-05T22:04:22.723" UserId="1" />
  <row Id="1281" PostId="800" Score="2" Text="See http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/63407/intermittent-offline-messages, though that was a couple of days ago now." CreationDate="2010-09-06T11:32:57.707" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1282" PostId="796" Text="Ha!  Thanks, I should've known.  :)" CreationDate="2010-09-06T12:53:41.333" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1283" PostId="800" Text="Maybe it *was* a stack overflow? ;-)" CreationDate="2010-09-06T14:32:30.483" UserId="45" />
  <row Id="1284" PostId="797" Score="2" Text="I think what John is trying to say is that it's not part of your &quot;daily job&quot;, and is very open to discussion; where this site is more specifically aimed at Q&amp;A, not discussions." CreationDate="2010-09-07T14:34:04.073" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1285" PostId="795" Text="I agree with your interpretation of the FAQ, however it seems that others interpret it to mean questions that a SysAdmin would ask in the course of their job (which generally precludes job-hunting)(just making an observation). The question does lean toward discussion however, rather than Q&amp;A. It's a fuzzy line sometimes." CreationDate="2010-09-07T14:53:11.953" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1287" PostId="800" Text="See ChrisF's comment; they're testing new caching software and it hasn't been setup to give different Offline Messages for the various SE sites yet (or it hadn't at the time anyway)." CreationDate="2010-09-07T15:35:14.230" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1288" PostId="801" Text="+1, &quot;font tag. Tsk, tsk.&quot;. Also, the first two suggestions are the same. And the third suggestion shows differently on the screen than the link (converter is left out on the link, but not on screen, nor is is struck-through, nor red)!" CreationDate="2010-09-09T12:48:32.970" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1289" PostId="633" Text="@John Gardeniers You'd better add this comment as an answer.. I'd rather up-vote that :)" CreationDate="2010-09-10T05:19:33.867" UserId="53791" />
  <row Id="1290" PostId="633" Text="@Zoredache the second part of you answer can be a separate question, here people won't be able to check it &amp; up-vote it separately :)" CreationDate="2010-09-10T05:21:10.053" UserId="53791" />
  <row Id="1291" PostId="798" Text="It is still possible to hotlink external images, you just have to write the Markdown yourself rather than using the button for it." CreationDate="2010-09-10T14:31:03.357" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1292" PostId="804" Text="My guess is it was from Paul Randal.  He use to run the dev team for the storage engine.  I'll look and see if I can find it.  Have a look through Paul's blog, though.  Tons of good stuff there including why it's bad news to truncate a log file.  http://sqlskills.com/blogs/paul" CreationDate="2010-09-13T04:14:18.207" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1293" PostId="805" Text="Got it - it was http://serverfault.com/questions/12793/how-do-i-reduce-transaction-log-backup-size-after-a-full-backup/13088#13088 - thanks" CreationDate="2010-09-13T11:52:49.477" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1294" PostId="798" Text="Odd, I don't receive that error on v6.0.472.55 for Windows.  What are you security settings at?" CreationDate="2010-09-15T12:08:59.710" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1295" PostId="807" Text="Yes, although i'm kinda getting used to it now ..." CreationDate="2010-09-16T05:10:36.463" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1296" PostId="807" Text="Yes. Really not sure why it wasn't made dismissible as with the FAQ banner/badge-notication in the first place." CreationDate="2010-09-16T10:41:57.113" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1297" PostId="810" Text="Nice.  But no love for Chrome :(" CreationDate="2010-09-16T17:39:52.070" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1298" PostId="810" Text="Feel the love for chrome" CreationDate="2010-09-16T18:08:12.130" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="1299" PostId="808" Score="6" Text="+1 - I hate how its rendered on $document.ready() rather than being rendered in-line with everything else." CreationDate="2010-09-16T21:35:14.313" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1300" PostId="809" Score="3" Text="I can understand why it's there for things that are actually *important*, but most important things don't stay there for &gt; 24 hours. Chat != important." CreationDate="2010-09-16T21:36:23.050" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1302" PostId="807" Score="1" Text="@Warner: Nope, not from what I can see...  At least not from Chrome and FF." CreationDate="2010-09-17T01:14:36.990" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1303" PostId="808" Text="@Farseeker: yeah, I suggested on MSO that they put it in the view code instead of using jQuery for it.  That would make it so that the layout doesn't bounce around." CreationDate="2010-09-17T01:15:17.883" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1304" PostId="809" Text="@Farseeker, my sentiments exactly. I wonder how much value is added to the site by a feature that just pisses people off. Seems a bit counter-intuitive to me." CreationDate="2010-09-17T02:22:33.113" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1305" PostId="810" Score="2" Text="Why should we have to customise our browsers to compensate for a poor site design? Isn't that completely missing the point? As for Chrome, the day might eventually come where it's an acceptable and stable browser - but that's still a long way off." CreationDate="2010-09-17T02:25:41.060" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1306" PostId="807" Text="I put my bit in on MSO." CreationDate="2010-09-17T03:59:24.200" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1307" PostId="810" Text="It's a work-around whist waiting for a patch." CreationDate="2010-09-17T07:11:10.650" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="1308" PostId="811" Text="Thanks!  I've edited the MSO question again to bump it.  I'm going to put a kickin bounty on it soon if I don't get any more feedback.  Such a simple thing...." CreationDate="2010-09-17T14:36:09.223" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1309" PostId="807" Text="@sysadmin: thanks, I also edited that question again to bump it.  We'll see.  I might go the bounty route over there soon just to get it some more attention." CreationDate="2010-09-17T14:37:15.860" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1310" PostId="810" Score="1" Text="@Iain, I don't want a patch or a workaround. I simply want that bar removed completely." CreationDate="2010-09-17T22:35:44.433" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1311" PostId="811" Text="@gWaldo, of all the information about SF that is NOT obvious to most users the chat would have to be about the least important. So what if someone dismisses the bar without reading about it? We work in a filed where this is the norm (e.g. who ever reads a EULA?)." CreationDate="2010-09-19T00:07:35.137" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1312" PostId="798" Text="@gWaldo I think that's because @splattne replaced them (see his answer below)" CreationDate="2010-09-19T18:57:52.933" UserId="24210" />
  <row Id="1313" PostId="806" Text="Yup, I agree with that." CreationDate="2010-09-19T18:58:57.473" UserId="24210" />
  <row Id="1314" PostId="814" Score="2" Text="I just used all my 5 spam votes on him. You know, if you were smart, you'd wait until everyone had used up their 5 spam votes, and then go spam under another sockpuppet..." CreationDate="2010-09-20T01:11:02.353" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1315" PostId="814" Text="@Farseeker - there's a lot more of us then there are of him. And personally, I don't think that there's a lot of overlap between &quot;smart&quot; and the kind of person who spams SE sites." CreationDate="2010-09-20T02:12:41.903" UserId="41939" />
  <row Id="1316" PostId="813" Text="Three problems come immediately to mind. 1 - x64 is technically incorrect anyway, as it was fabricated to appear as a continuation of x32, which is also invalid, etc. and should be actively discouraged. 2 - The number of tags is growing to the point where they are becoming useless for searching simply because it's hard to know which of several possibilities might apply. 3 - &quot;Crosstagging&quot; is hard or useless when there is only a 5 tag limit. It would be far better to use appropriate tags, rather than multiple ones saying the same thing." CreationDate="2010-09-20T03:25:09.400" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1317" PostId="814" Text="@Dori, I disagree that a spammer is not necessarily smart. If the person in question makes a few more sales for just a few minutes &quot;work&quot; some might consider it quite smart. Objectionable perhaps, but still smart. Spamming sites like this is akin to an opportunist smash-and-grab thief. We might not like it but for them it's a way to make a living and they don't have to put in as many hours as we do. :(" CreationDate="2010-09-20T03:35:49.743" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1318" PostId="811" Text="@John Gardeniers, I'm sorry, but I can't be in the business of spoon-feeding information to everyone.  The core audience, I think, will either not care about &quot;what did that say&quot;, will read an unusual notification before clicking a 'dismiss' button, and knows where to discover information.  Sure there are plenty of 'click first, ask questions later' types, but you honestly cannot cater to everyone, and right now, that blazing blue banner (in SF) seems to be annoying the core of that community." CreationDate="2010-09-20T12:14:01.653" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1319" PostId="816" Text="Nice find, but what a PITA." CreationDate="2010-09-20T19:58:30.523" UserId="8576" />
  <row Id="1320" PostId="814" Text="Well, their questions have all been deleted and the account is suspended, so the system worked in this instance." CreationDate="2010-09-20T20:03:49.900" UserId="41939" />
  <row Id="1321" PostId="818" Score="1" Text="It's moments like these I wish I was creative..." CreationDate="2010-09-21T00:16:15.933" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1322" PostId="811" Text="@gWaldo, from reading your answer I get the impression you are defending that blue bar, yet in your comment you appear to be under the impression that I am in favour of it, which you will notice from my previous answer I most certainly am not. Either one or both of us are mistaken." CreationDate="2010-09-21T00:43:45.233" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1323" PostId="818" Score="3" Text="How about &quot;[dismiss-system-notification-bar]&quot;?" CreationDate="2010-09-21T01:59:49.817" UserId="1054" />
  <row Id="1324" PostId="819" Text="Not bad. Maybe it can print the optional text in binary lights?" CreationDate="2010-09-21T02:50:06.697" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1325" PostId="818" Text="@squill - `[status-bydesign]`" CreationDate="2010-09-21T03:23:35.987" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1326" PostId="811" Text="@John Gardeniers I am in favor of a dismissable notifications bar.  My alternative to those who would want to look up what was announced is a notifications page.  I fixed the formatting of my quoteblock to hopefully reflect that it contains a sub-quote.  I have reread your earlier comment and I think we've suffered from hearing different things from read text.  I read the second sentence as &quot;So, what if someone dismisses...&quot; to mean 'how do we cater to someone who dismisses it', where now I think you are saying &quot;So What&quot; as in &quot;Who cares if they dismiss it&quot;." CreationDate="2010-09-21T12:15:39.857" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1327" PostId="811" Text="@John Gardeniers I'd also read the last sentence to imply that despite people not reading our carefully worded missives and warnings, we still catch flack when they break things that we'd warned about.  Thus, we have to cater to the lowest-common-denominator...  Thanks for clarifying; I think we're on the same page!  DOWN WITH NOTIFICATION BAR!!!" CreationDate="2010-09-21T12:16:59.277" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1328" PostId="821" Score="1" Text="I really like the idea of BBS era linenoise." CreationDate="2010-09-21T14:19:13.300" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1329" PostId="821" Score="1" Text="Nothing brings me back like a good fake NO CARRIER, or a long string of ^H^H^H^H^H^H." CreationDate="2010-09-21T15:41:07.437" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1330" PostId="818" Text="I did a small double-take when I saw the OP's name on this one." CreationDate="2010-09-21T16:37:11.767" UserId="10907" />
  <row Id="1331" PostId="819" Score="1" Text="I was going to downvote until I saw &quot;(but more small single line icon-y)&quot;; I'm not sure how well a standalone small blinkenlight would work, though." CreationDate="2010-09-21T16:38:27.290" UserId="10907" />
  <row Id="1332" PostId="821" Text="This is funny, but probably too disruptive to implement. (Not too technically challenging to implement, mind you; I just think a lot of people would abuse it and cause everyone else to leave chat in frustration.)" CreationDate="2010-09-21T16:39:58.473" UserId="10907" />
  <row Id="1333" PostId="807" Text="I came here to say this." CreationDate="2010-09-21T20:13:39.017" UserId="5246" />
  <row Id="1334" PostId="821" Text="It could be implemented to discourage abuse.  It's an easter egg, not a documented feature. " CreationDate="2010-09-22T02:10:15.927" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1335" PostId="821" Text="Noone said that the message had to end being sent to any of the users... although maybe that's the point?" CreationDate="2010-09-22T04:55:51.630" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1336" PostId="825" Score="3" Text="I agree with your sentiments, but asking googlable questions is still encouraged, because when everyone else googles for them, we want them to find US, not Expert Sexchange (as so many of my search results end up with)" CreationDate="2010-09-22T23:42:30.023" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1337" PostId="825" Text="@Farseeker +1. I use the Firefox [Custom Google Search](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13996/) add-on for this exact purpose -- filter out useless/unwanted sites." CreationDate="2010-09-23T02:07:09.130" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1338" PostId="826" Text="It's been closed for you." CreationDate="2010-09-23T11:38:29.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1339" PostId="820" Text="He's the Universe's way of balancing out people like me, who randomly wound up here from another SE site, and have zero questions, zero answers, and zero votes... (although I now have one *comment*...)." CreationDate="2010-09-23T15:07:00.657" UserId="54374" />
  <row Id="1340" PostId="827" Text="`prompt $p$g` aaah the memories" CreationDate="2010-09-24T06:10:52.910" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1341" PostId="826" Text="thanks very much!" CreationDate="2010-09-24T09:02:41.373" UserId="54949" />
  <row Id="1342" PostId="821" Text="@Farseeker: @Jeff's question says *&quot;and it's visible to the entire chat room.&quot;*" CreationDate="2010-09-24T13:51:39.390" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1343" PostId="818" Score="1" Text="You might find something involving ASCII or non-binary data more appealing to most of this crowd." CreationDate="2010-09-24T14:55:46.643" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1344" PostId="821" Score="2" Text="I still like the idea of line noise!" CreationDate="2010-09-24T20:42:40.807" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1345" PostId="830" Score="2" Text="It's a hazard, but for the sake of organization I'll live with it!" CreationDate="2010-09-24T22:38:37.637" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1346" PostId="823" Score="2" Text="ooo i like the light bulb idea!" CreationDate="2010-09-24T22:53:54.510" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1347" PostId="833" Text="ASCII art, right up there with a fake NO CARRIER for bringing me back." CreationDate="2010-09-25T14:54:18.367" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1348" PostId="833" Text="@sysadmin1138 yeah I was trying to think of something, well, sysadmin-y... ASCII art isn't exactly sysadminy, but it's the best I have come up with so far :-)" CreationDate="2010-09-25T15:08:54.120" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="1349" PostId="834" Text="Thanks @Zoredache!" CreationDate="2010-09-25T17:33:51.503" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="1350" PostId="818" Text="@Warner see my answer :-)" CreationDate="2010-09-25T17:35:13.343" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="1351" PostId="833" Text="Could be prone to abuse but I like figlet.  Not a bad idea.  I use `sysvbanner` for a lot of my documentation." CreationDate="2010-09-27T18:00:09.193" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1352" PostId="843" Text="+1, Also for off-topic or spam &quot;answers&quot;" CreationDate="2010-09-28T15:35:51.307" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1353" PostId="826" Text="You can delete your own questions before they get any answers too." CreationDate="2010-09-28T15:37:26.373" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1354" PostId="843" Text="Mm, yes. Forgot about off-topic." CreationDate="2010-09-28T15:42:03.997" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1355" PostId="843" Score="2" Text="@Chris S, Flagging, is usually better for answers that are really spam." CreationDate="2010-09-28T18:24:38.280" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1356" PostId="844" Text="+1 for that last sentence, which pretty well sums it all up." CreationDate="2010-09-28T23:08:10.143" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1357" PostId="846" Text="Thanks for the feedback.  I don't know enough about the SE codebase to comment on the ease, but I assume that such an effort would be significant..." CreationDate="2010-09-29T12:11:30.307" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1358" PostId="847" Text="Opera Mini, or Opera Mobile, or Opera &quot;normal&quot;? There are a *lot* of known issues with Opera Mini which the Stack Exchange team won't/can't fix because of its unique rendering method." CreationDate="2010-09-30T23:06:43.460" UserId="7709" />
  <row Id="1359" PostId="847" Text="Opera &quot;Normal&quot;. I managed to use the same browser (possibly even the very same process) to post a question to SO in February, so I know it has worked, in the past." CreationDate="2010-10-01T09:25:54.000" UserId="5038" />
  <row Id="1360" PostId="847" Text="How many characters were in the question you were unable to post?" CreationDate="2010-10-01T10:06:35.800" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1361" PostId="848" Score="1" Text="This should have been a comment rather than an answer." CreationDate="2010-10-02T17:57:43.543" UserId="1293" />
  <row Id="1362" PostId="848" Text="I disagree. I think **you** should have alerted the folks here about reposting your question, or should have deleted your question altogether..." CreationDate="2010-10-02T18:11:50.763" UserId="12496" />
  <row Id="1363" PostId="848" Score="1" Text="Does it really matter comment vs answer since there is no rep either way?  Also why answer as wiki when rep doesn't matter. :p" CreationDate="2010-10-02T21:39:51.467" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1364" PostId="848" Text="@Zoredache, I posted an answer on purpose, as in my experience comments are not always read -- and I just wanted to alert people that the reposted question might already have been answered on the other site, and I like the answers to be in one place. And now that you mentioned reputation: *you* actually have enough reputation to vote to close this very version of this question! ;-)" CreationDate="2010-10-02T22:18:16.350" UserId="12496" />
  <row Id="1365" PostId="847" Text="About 650 characters. POsting the exact same body with Iceape worked just fine." CreationDate="2010-10-03T19:33:16.090" UserId="5038" />
  <row Id="1368" PostId="848" Text="In my experience Meta &quot;isn't always read&quot;; comments, question, and answers alike. Regardless, I'm with Zoredache, nobody cares if it's an answer or a comment." CreationDate="2010-10-06T02:44:46.073" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1369" PostId="830" Text="And flooding the front page with corrections is *so much worse* than flooding it with answered questions where the questioner never came back to mark an answer... &lt;/sarcasm&gt;" CreationDate="2010-10-06T02:52:44.100" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1370" PostId="825" Text="Yes, it's encouraged if he's an honest citizen; but I agree, on the surface it's suspicious." CreationDate="2010-10-06T02:56:34.487" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1371" PostId="814" Text="Flag them as other have said, or better yet, find a mod in chat and tell them. The mods can take care of the situation quick (when they have time)." CreationDate="2010-10-06T02:59:11.520" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1372" PostId="842" Text="Understand my point now?" CreationDate="2010-10-06T23:24:54.237" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1373" PostId="857" Text="http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/842/why-downvote-a-question-or-answer-on-server-fault" CreationDate="2010-10-08T05:11:08.097" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1374" PostId="855" Text="But isn't it illogical? Do robots ever edit their posts? I've always thought they just post and forget." CreationDate="2010-10-08T13:54:42.777" UserId="42777" />
  <row Id="1375" PostId="855" Text="Robots might simply follow every link, and therefor would get caught by this. Webcrawlers (like Google) are &quot;guided&quot; and wouldn't simply follow every link." CreationDate="2010-10-08T14:22:35.313" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1376" PostId="857" Score="1" Text="When it shows a lack of effort that makes you wonder how they find the effort to breathe, then you downvote (if you want)." CreationDate="2010-10-08T14:25:20.320" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1377" PostId="857" Text="Voting is a personal thing. We do not all vote (up or down) for the same reasons. Be honest about how you vote, rather than doing so just to get another badge, as some have done." CreationDate="2010-10-11T00:07:10.773" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1378" PostId="861" Text="A good enough reason by my book too, now I think about it." CreationDate="2010-10-11T21:05:38.340" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1379" PostId="862" Score="2" Text="Irony is misspelling the title of your post.  Or perhaps proving that he's not a spelling/grammar nazi...  s/coherant/coherent/i;  Proper capitalization is optional too..." CreationDate="2010-10-12T12:24:08.663" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1380" PostId="863" Text="&quot;Strunk &amp; White&quot; badge?" CreationDate="2010-10-12T13:16:44.253" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1381" PostId="863" Text="There is a Copy Editor badge, for 600 edits." CreationDate="2010-10-12T13:23:31.867" UserId="29373" />
  <row Id="1382" PostId="864" Score="5" Text="Agreed. Editing a post just to capitalize one or two letters, that's pointless. Fixing incorrect spelling/grammar/style, always good." CreationDate="2010-10-12T13:31:21.120" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1383" PostId="868" Text="Thanks Ben - the 1000 rep threshold for seeing vote ratios is interesting info." CreationDate="2010-10-12T19:38:48.550" UserId="55524" />
  <row Id="1384" PostId="867" Text="Thanks Chris, though you answered first, I accepted Ben's answer as he added a bit of additional info and you don't really need the reputation points :-) Hope that's OK with you." CreationDate="2010-10-12T19:41:15.050" UserId="55524" />
  <row Id="1385" PostId="867" Text="Nobody gets reputation from meta.serverfault.com" CreationDate="2010-10-12T20:21:35.443" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1386" PostId="862" Text="just testing! eh..damn." CreationDate="2010-10-12T20:22:24.943" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="1387" PostId="862" Score="1" Text="Although as he says, he's not trying to be a spelling nazi. The rest of his post is coherent. " CreationDate="2010-10-13T00:35:29.447" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="1388" PostId="873" Text="When I am asked &quot;what does RTFM mean?&quot; I always define it using *fine* instead. If I am not asked for definition, then I intend the the other f-word is implied. :)" CreationDate="2010-10-13T15:29:58.180" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1389" PostId="878" Text="This is more about salutation and goodbye messages such as: &quot;Hello techy friends,&quot; and &quot;sincerely, lonesome noob&quot;" CreationDate="2010-10-13T17:47:59.850" UserId="1840" />
  <row Id="1390" PostId="865" Text="Frequently when I am searching the site for something or other I come across a few questions/answers that need fixing.  I fix them when I see them, but I never search for things just to fix the case." CreationDate="2010-10-13T17:49:18.220" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1391" PostId="878" Text="That's what he's talking about, @l0c0b0x." CreationDate="2010-10-13T17:58:28.677" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1392" PostId="876" Text="It might be nice to include the [MSO link Warner provided](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/5029/are-taglines-signatures-disallowed) in any related edits. That's what I've done in the past.  At least then users with clue might check the revision history.  " CreationDate="2010-10-13T18:24:13.860" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1393" PostId="878" Text="This is where I am. I don't think its worth editing just for this (unless the flowery language was getting in the way of the question) but I'd certainly tidy it up if I was there anyway." CreationDate="2010-10-13T18:35:43.877" UserId="7783" />
  <row Id="1395" PostId="879" Score="2" Text="&quot;Do you use the phrase &quot;f*cking manual&quot; in real life?&quot; Sure do - daily!" CreationDate="2010-10-13T20:45:35.773" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1396" PostId="878" Text="It may have been addressed on another site but we don't all read every Stack Exchange site." CreationDate="2010-10-13T20:47:59.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1397" PostId="865" Text="Agreed. I never search out posts for editing but when they're put in front of me and require editing I don't concern myself over when they were originally posted." CreationDate="2010-10-13T20:52:29.393" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1398" PostId="862" Score="2" Text="In addition to coherent English I think proper capitalisation should also be required. Consider your own question title." CreationDate="2010-10-13T21:00:16.820" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1399" PostId="880" Text="Three Thoughts to consider: 1) Forget about the OP -- If you answer the question itself then it might be useful to others in the future. 2) I don't think you should take the time if you don't want to. *SF should be fun*, and if you don't want to bother to answer a particular question that is fine. Only answer the ones you will have fun answering. 3) If you think it is just a crappy question (i.e. simple and poorly written), you can always downvote if you feel it deserves it." CreationDate="2010-10-13T21:01:37.217" UserId="2561" />
  <row Id="1400" PostId="700" Text="or what if your completely locked into one vendor? that vendor can treat you how it likes.." CreationDate="2010-10-13T21:18:28.910" UserId="37899" />
  <row Id="1401" PostId="625" Text="I use server fault to look for answer to complex technical questions, and these answer usually come from real world experince. However some licensing issues are very complex, thus need complex answer from those 'in the field'. I'm doubtful that a vendor would activly volunteer information on saving money for example, it's just not in their interests to do it.   " CreationDate="2010-10-13T21:23:46.167" UserId="37899" />
  <row Id="1402" PostId="625" Text="@user37899, my own experience with vendors is contrary to what you say. Every time I've used a vendor to help me with licensing issues they have helped me greatly in getting what I need for the lowest cost. They have also been able to offer expertise in a specialised field that no admin can be expected to have, at least not to the same degree." CreationDate="2010-10-13T22:07:49.440" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1403" PostId="873" Text="@jscott you mean *Read The Famous Manual*? :-)" CreationDate="2010-10-14T00:18:56.680" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="1404" PostId="883" Score="2" Text="I can't recall seeing (or at least not noticing) any syntax highlighted posts. Can you give us a link to one please?" CreationDate="2010-10-14T02:46:59.840" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1405" PostId="880" Text="@Kyle, 1) I believe it is equally important for anyone seeing the question in the future to understand that they have a duty to read the manual as well, giving value to an RTFM answer. Of course that's just my opinion and I accept that it's not shared by all. 2) If the question interests me I might research it but generally I don't. 3) I do, or I might vote to close it." CreationDate="2010-10-14T02:55:12.317" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1406" PostId="862" Text="done, but it's one step missing a captial letter or having a spelling mistake compared to a question that needs two or three read-throughs to make sense." CreationDate="2010-10-14T07:51:54.157" UserId="41103" />
  <row Id="1408" PostId="879" Text="Yes - I murmer it with great frequency.  But I didn't use the phrase &quot;f*cking manual&quot; on serverfault.  RTFM is part of our everyday language.  It's a joke, like ROFL, PITA and ASP, in our TLA filled industry.  The irony of Prix commenting in a RTFFAQ way without adding anything interesting to the conversation isn't lost on me.  But it feels disruptive more than helpful." CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:31:01.850" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1409" PostId="875" Text="Nice blog post.  I agree totally that there is a risk in any forum that it descends into &quot;snarkyness&quot;, and flame wars.  That still seems an inherant risk with &quot;game&quot; systems such as this.  But the benefits probably outweigh the risks, and I can't say I've seen it done better anywhere else out there." CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:37:52.757" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1410" PostId="874" Text="I guess that is the right answer to the question, even if not that satisfying." CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:40:12.133" UserId="31143" />
  <row Id="1411" PostId="878" Text="Understandably so, John.  That's why I pointed it out." CreationDate="2010-10-14T13:07:17.237" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1412" PostId="875" Text="`The reason I love the Stack Overflow system is that is strongly discourages this` can't agree more with you Kyle, I 100% discourage people to use those terms. It not only make people refrain from posting something but create a distance between new users and the community." CreationDate="2010-10-14T16:23:36.420" UserId="45278" />
  <row Id="1413" PostId="888" Text="Yes, we do all make mistakes at times and I'm confident I make more than my share but, after making allowances for English not being the posters first language, should we really tolerate the level of illiteracy, sometimes deliberate, shown in some posts? I would assume a certain level of literacy would be require for any technical job." CreationDate="2010-10-14T21:45:51.087" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1414" PostId="891" Score="1" Text="A good idea: http://serverfault.com/tags/book/synonyms" CreationDate="2010-10-15T01:17:45.657" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1415" PostId="890" Score="1" Text="merged books -&gt; book ... book was the more prevalent tag" CreationDate="2010-10-15T01:19:38.633" UserId="5880" />
  <row Id="1416" PostId="888" Text="I suppose that's what the Strunk &amp; White and Copy Editor badges are for...  Yes, I HATE poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation, but I don't think that there is any reasonable way to enforce it.  I suppose that instead of a red squiggly-line for assumed misspelled words, something more obnoxious could be done, but why bother?" CreationDate="2010-10-15T12:31:42.983" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1417" PostId="883" Text="@John Gardeniers,  Look at the code blocks in these questions.  Notice that the font color changes.  http://serverfault.com/questions/18744 (check the apache.conf see how it is all wonky)&#xA;http://serverfault.com/questions/155115&#xA;http://serverfault.com/questions/189165" CreationDate="2010-10-15T23:33:35.513" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1418" PostId="885" Text="It uses [Google prettify](http://code.google.com/p/google-code-prettify/) ([cite](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/14664/how-does-so-syntax-highlight-citations-so-well))" CreationDate="2010-10-15T23:39:13.227" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1419" PostId="884" Text="The problem is that is it doesn't seem to work right in some cases.  See http://serverfault.com/questions/18744.  In the apache.conf scroll down to the worker mpm section." CreationDate="2010-10-15T23:40:57.033" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1420" PostId="884" Text="I would strongly prefer the default to be no highlight with an option to enable it.  I agree it is useful in many cases." CreationDate="2010-10-15T23:42:15.733" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1421" PostId="872" Text="Related Reading  [Linux snobes](http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/snobsoped.shtml) (s/linux snob/sysadmin snob/). http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/9953 http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/15143 http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/31168" CreationDate="2010-10-16T00:10:10.667" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1422" PostId="883" Text="@Zoredache, thanks for those examples. I see your point and agree that it looks pretty crappy." CreationDate="2010-10-18T00:02:35.773" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1423" PostId="893" Text="There is no vote to close as unclear option. Perhaps this should be added. As it stands the nearest option is to close as not a real question, which in many cases is quite inappropriate, as the question may well be real but written in a manner that makes it unreadable." CreationDate="2010-10-18T00:11:48.490" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1424" PostId="894" Text="As an aside, I was slightly disappointed to discover that there is no badge for an entire year's worth of daily activity. " CreationDate="2010-10-18T00:14:42.303" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1425" PostId="893" Text="@John Gardeniers, sorry, I paraphrase the close reason.  I was thinking of  __not a real question__ which has the description: &#xA;It's difficult to tell what is being asked here. This question is ambiguous, vague, incomplete, overly broad, or rhetorical and cannot be reasonably answered in its current form." CreationDate="2010-10-18T03:09:32.857" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1426" PostId="894" Text="HA!  But what's beyond &quot;Fanatic&quot; except for &quot;Certifiable&quot; or &quot;Committed/Institutionalized&quot;..." CreationDate="2010-10-18T12:31:30.903" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1427" PostId="895" Text="Thank you for the clarification.  +1 and Answered." CreationDate="2010-10-18T12:34:10.740" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1428" PostId="901" Text="Cheers - I would have done it myself straight away, but thought I'd get a 2nd opinion." CreationDate="2010-10-18T14:06:53.497" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1429" PostId="894" Text="@gWaldo There's a reason some refer to it as *CrackOverflow*." CreationDate="2010-10-18T16:39:48.620" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1430" PostId="894" Score="1" Text="@jscott ...but the badges are _sooooo_ worth it..." CreationDate="2010-10-18T17:59:45.643" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1431" PostId="899" Text="Huh? No more CW questions? That will make a LOT of questions off topic/not real." CreationDate="2010-10-18T20:53:04.617" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1432" PostId="899" Text="@John - I think that was part of the point. The other was that there were increasing numbers of questions converted by accident." CreationDate="2010-10-18T20:54:36.070" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1433" PostId="899" Text="Sorry, I though you were asking about questions tagged as CW, rather than actual CW questions." CreationDate="2010-10-18T23:12:25.450" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1434" PostId="899" Text="@John - The question was about tagging, but because of the removal of CW as an option. If you see what I mean." CreationDate="2010-10-19T07:45:21.690" UserId="1071" />
  <row Id="1435" PostId="899" Text="CW going away: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/392/should-the-community-wiki-police-be-shut-down" CreationDate="2010-10-19T21:52:08.750" UserId="3038" />
  <row Id="1436" PostId="883" Text="@Zoredache - Thanks also for those examples.  Most of the syntax highlighting is so subtle that it makes it feel like my LCD is flaking out or my eyes are tired...   Yes, I stand by my answer below; if you want syntax highlighting, copy it into your own editor!" CreationDate="2010-10-20T13:01:01.937" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1437" PostId="903" Text="Perhaps this is my mistake, looking back now I see there was another downvote between the WOL and PHP questions (two downvotes in a row). I assumed that these 5 were the most recent 5, but apparently that is not the case??" CreationDate="2010-10-20T13:05:56.030" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1438" PostId="880" Score="1" Text="+1, If the question really deserves a &quot;RTFM&quot; then I wouldn't down vote an answer that includes it; I'd probably upvote it. If the question is decently written and reflects some general level of effort, then the &quot;RTFM&quot; is not appropriate." CreationDate="2010-10-21T00:17:45.453" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1439" PostId="873" Text="*read the friendly manual*" CreationDate="2010-10-21T00:18:05.093" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1440" PostId="906" Score="2" Text="Why do you need to know when you can see the list of questions the asked, answers they provided, and recent comments?  Maybe he didn't want you to know his name.  " CreationDate="2010-10-21T06:25:47.283" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1441" PostId="906" Text="I don't _need_ to, but I find it easier in some cases to find things by who said them.  There's also a bit of cognitive dissonance when I see a comment or answer that I'm *sure* was said by someone else, and it would help alleviate that if I could find out &quot;oh, yeah, that person did post w/ another name before.&quot;" CreationDate="2010-10-21T07:25:56.127" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1442" PostId="880" Score="1" Text="@Chris, that's really the key - the question has to at least look like the poster has shown some level of professionalism and made an attempt to look for the answer. If it's clearly spelled out in the docs they should have seen it." CreationDate="2010-10-21T08:40:21.393" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1443" PostId="375" Text="Those uses are the mostly likely to be in a position to recommend buying products like the ones advertised." CreationDate="2010-10-21T14:41:41.217" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1444" PostId="373" Text="I suppose you want to ban all commercials and product placement from TV and pay full price for cable/satellite? Or ban all billboards from road sides? Ban ads from magazines and newspapers too?" CreationDate="2010-10-21T14:44:16.483" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1445" PostId="908" Score="1" Text="On a daily basis I also deal with users, software, networks, security, workstations, *etc*.  I've seen questions, on SF, directly related to each of these items.  None of these items *are* servers, nor would they qualify for a [server] tag.  But this is a community-built site.  You brought your question to the correct place to be addressed." CreationDate="2010-10-22T18:39:20.183" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1446" PostId="908" Text="+1, I **HATE** that tag. It does seem kind of redundant in 99% of cases." CreationDate="2010-10-22T20:45:05.073" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1447" PostId="910" Text="**ErikA:** I delete questions, if it appears I've doing the wrong thing. If a question gets to mean off-topic answers, I have no control over deleting it." CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:25:06.273" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="1448" PostId="910" Text="**@ErikA:** Main focus of the question is understanding what knowledge is in the community. I'll remove the other questions, since that's really not the same topic." CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:26:31.557" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="1449" PostId="910" Score="1" Text="@blunders - Sure, you did the wrong thing by posting an off-topic question, but there are mechanisms in place (migration) to deal with this. By deleting your question, you also delete any answers and comments people have posted, which can be quite frustrating." CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:27:41.610" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1450" PostId="910" Text="**@ErikA:** Yes, I agree about all your points. Thank you!" CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:29:10.147" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="1451" PostId="909" Score="1" Text="If you keep changing your question, we'll have a hard time giving you an appropriate answer." CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:29:20.257" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1453" PostId="909" Score="1" Text="No problem - it was just hard to follow the rapidly-moving target there. :)" CreationDate="2010-10-22T21:34:53.157" UserId="20815" />
  <row Id="1455" PostId="701" Text="All gone......." CreationDate="2010-10-23T22:52:03.550" UserId="1435" />
  <row Id="1456" PostId="912" Text="2 ups now (not me). Wasn't aware [closed] questions could still be up/down voted." CreationDate="2010-10-24T10:38:09.163" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1457" PostId="911" Text="@Ben's answer is correct. At ~136 rep, you are unable to see total up/down votes per question.  A question with a vote-sum of zero will appear, to you, as &quot;un-voted&quot;.  You are able to see vote totals [at 1000 rep](http://serverfault.com/faq)." CreationDate="2010-10-24T10:41:13.927" UserId="23067" />
  <row Id="1458" PostId="912" Text="@jscott, Upvoting closed question can contribute it's unclosing (indirectly)." CreationDate="2010-10-24T12:26:36.013" UserId="33896" />
  <row Id="1459" PostId="909" Text="It sounds like you are intending to ask questions for the sole purpose of getting upvates, rather than looking for real answers to real problems. Others may disagree but I find that objectionable." CreationDate="2010-10-24T21:14:35.090" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1460" PostId="908" Score="2" Text="While I agree that we don't require the server tag, this site is NOT &quot;all about servers&quot;. Your view of system administrations is too narrow. A significant number of questions are unrelated to servers. Likewise, there are many admins who never get to work on a server at all." CreationDate="2010-10-24T21:21:01.247" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1461" PostId="909" Text="**@John Gardeniers:** To look for &quot;real answers to real problems&quot; you have to know where to look, sounds to me like reading into the question in a way that has more to do with you, than I. I don't care about rep points, and if I did I would not get them by asking question... really, please apply some form of logic if you're going to be objectionable." CreationDate="2010-10-24T22:09:32.250" UserId="56661" />
  <row Id="1462" PostId="914" Text="Ooh I saw that but thought it was just my iPhone being daft (happens frequently!). It looks OK on Firefox 4b6 / Windows 7. Maybe it's a monitor resolution thing?" CreationDate="2010-10-25T07:14:02.330" UserId="33884" />
  <row Id="1463" PostId="912" Text="@jscott, I believe you have to have a certain rep in order to vote on a closed question (I know I can)." CreationDate="2010-10-25T15:09:36.533" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1464" PostId="914" Text="It's a Chrome thing. They don't frequently test the SE sites with Chrome yet, though they are doing it more often." CreationDate="2010-10-25T15:15:50.910" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1465" PostId="914" Text="The problem is with Chrome, not the site. Reality: Chrome is very buggy and nowhere near production ready, no matter what some might claim." CreationDate="2010-10-25T23:55:52.250" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1466" PostId="908" Text="The 'server' tag does help to distinguish a question from 'storage' (Like a Netapp or storage array, not a server), or 'networking' (also not a server) or 'security policies'." CreationDate="2010-10-26T17:33:15.007" UserId="36178" />
  <row Id="1467" PostId="916" Text="hmm yeah it appears to be displaying fine now after the original answer has been edited with more information and new comments have been added" CreationDate="2010-10-26T20:37:56.547" UserId="43315" />
  <row Id="1468" PostId="918" Text="It may be a bad example, as that question may very well be legitimate. However, the answer requires a hack, which is the part I don't think we should be participating in." CreationDate="2010-10-26T22:09:00.197" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1469" PostId="908" Score="2" Text="@Stefan, while I see your point I think the server tag is far too generic to be of any real value. Server questions should be tagged with one or more tags appropriate to the actual make and model of server to be useful." CreationDate="2010-10-27T01:43:44.163" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1470" PostId="919" Score="2" Text="You're certainly correct about the spammers." CreationDate="2010-10-27T04:50:14.613" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1471" PostId="910" Score="1" Text="Huh.  _Learn by reading_?  It sounds like madness, but it just may be genius!  &lt;wink /&gt;" CreationDate="2010-10-27T12:27:35.927" UserId="50875" />
  <row Id="1472" PostId="910" Score="1" Text="And don't sweat the occasional downvote, question migration, or even harsh comment.  The vocal minority is sometimes just in a crabby mood, but 99.9% of the community are unbothered by your initial missteps.  Otherwise you'll know, because you'll hear from a mod.  ;)" CreationDate="2010-10-27T14:07:05.570" UserId="1803" />
  <row Id="1473" PostId="915" Text="@john its not your duty to be a moral judge, that's g-d's job" CreationDate="2010-10-27T19:56:08.157" UserId="48344" />
  <row Id="1474" PostId="915" Score="1" Text="@I__, it's not a case of being a moral judge. It's really about being professional. The subject of professionalism has been raised on a number of previous occasions and the conclusion I draw from those discussions is that we should eliminate those questions which are clearly inappropriate, which is how I interpret hacking topics. This question is to try and determine whether my views are shared by others or I'm being picky. After all, SF is for professionals, not hackers. There are plenty of other sites that cater to the latter. BTW, religion and religious references are most inappropriate." CreationDate="2010-10-27T21:01:51.737" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1475" PostId="920" Text="Interesting point of view. The way I see it that would make SF the go-to site for information about circumventing security systems. Is that really what you want to see happen? My opinion as a professional admin is that we should be taking active steps in the opposite direction, so clearly we have diametrically opposed views on this. Your reference to security through obscurity is lost on me in this case because it isn't a matter of hiding the information. It's about we as professionals not ENCOURAGING hacking by answering questions that require a hacking solution." CreationDate="2010-10-27T21:12:37.827" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1476" PostId="916" Text="I use Chrome and I'm sure I've seen that a few times, but not repeatably." CreationDate="2010-10-28T02:01:58.947" UserId="6177" />
  <row Id="1477" PostId="915" Text="@I__, I think every religion that believes in god would disagree, and most would say it's divine inspiration (or design) that gives you the ability to do so. Additionally I know plenty of atheists who would argue that human beings have the innate ability to recognize moral situations, and the duty to do so." CreationDate="2010-10-28T12:49:12.663" UserId="33417" />
  <row Id="1478" PostId="920" Text="I agree entirely, Kara.  The ability to test vulnerabilities, among other security topics, is absolutely within the realm of professional IT.  Nevertheless, obviously unscrupulous end-users we don't need to cater to.  I believe I've written my detailed opinion on this on a different post.  " CreationDate="2010-10-28T13:34:51.357" UserId="35817" />
  <row Id="1479" PostId="918" Score="1" Text="Calling a password reset utility a hack really downplays some of the really cool hacks people have done over the years." CreationDate="2010-10-28T17:11:17.677" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1481" PostId="920" Score="2" Text="@John Gardeniers, it seems there is a bit of a strawman in your argument here.  I don't think we are encouraging hacking, I think we are trying to encourage sharing information that a sysadmin may have to commonly deal with." CreationDate="2010-10-28T17:20:25.267" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1482" PostId="919" Text="I strongly agree that we should be closing duplicate whenever possible, particularly for this type of question which seems attract SPAM." CreationDate="2010-10-28T17:52:53.193" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1483" PostId="922" Text="You also seem to think I wish to hide the information, which is not my intention or goal. I simply don't believe we should be encouraging hacking and, like it or not, that is what password recovery is. Whether there is a legitimate need to do so or not is irrelevant. For the record, I have the tools I need to do such things with me at all times but don't believe SF is the appropriate place to discuss them." CreationDate="2010-10-28T21:27:42.260" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1485" PostId="923" Text="@Zoredache: Nice feature! I didn't know about it. Of course... I don't see the bonuses..." CreationDate="2010-10-29T17:36:36.683" UserId="7917" />
  <row Id="1487" PostId="923" Score="1" Text="That solved it! Thanks... shouldn't you post that as an answer? (so I voto you up, select it as correct answer and so on..)" CreationDate="2010-10-29T18:16:49.863" UserId="7917" />
  <row Id="1488" PostId="923" Text="Comments moved to an answer.  I added them as comments initially because I was just making wild guesses, and wasn't sure if what I was suggesting applied in your case." CreationDate="2010-10-29T23:40:31.793" UserId="984" />
  <row Id="1489" PostId="924" Text="Mine shown &quot;days represented 377&quot;. Does that mean it's only counting the days rep changed (as opposed to being on the site)?" CreationDate="2010-10-30T23:36:34.723" UserId="9278" />
  <row Id="1490" PostId="920" Score="1" Text="I think taking questions from script kiddies seriously would be just as annoying as doing kids' homework for them.  Though I'd rather err on the side of not throwing out babies with bathwater - more specifically, I still want to encourage students to participate (as they're the next batch of professional users) - just as a lot of dodgy-sounding security qustions may be coming from the next generation of white hats.  Naive questions sound pretty similar to malicious questions trying to sound innocent, dont' they?" CreationDate="2010-10-31T18:30:39.977" UserId="1803" />
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